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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1284142</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yootoo, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.  I tried to explain myself and the post to you.  But now you're sounding much like a common troll -- you are deciding what I am thinking.  You don't know me, you don't know anything about me -- so I'm quite sure you cannot read my mind.  Anyone who claims to be doing so really fits the category of troll.

At no time did I mention anything about sweatshops being good.  At no time did I support sweatshops.  But then you know that now, and you're just making up crap because you want to.  Yes, that's being a troll.  You're calling people names because you personally disagree with a position that YOU MADE UP for someone else.  Wouldn't it be easier to just open up notepad on your computer and make up positions for others and then disagree with them?

I have no problem with disagreement, but you are factually incorrect and trying to read my mind.  I've tried to explain my position and you've deliberately ignored me.  I cannot reason with those who refuse to reason.  Feel free to come back and disagree on facts or positions.  Until then, good day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yootoo, I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt.  I tried to explain myself and the post to you.  But now you&#8217;re sounding much like a common troll &#8212; you are deciding what I am thinking.  You don&#8217;t know me, you don&#8217;t know anything about me &#8212; so I&#8217;m quite sure you cannot read my mind.  Anyone who claims to be doing so really fits the category of troll.</p>
<p>At no time did I mention anything about sweatshops being good.  At no time did I support sweatshops.  But then you know that now, and you&#8217;re just making up crap because you want to.  Yes, that&#8217;s being a troll.  You&#8217;re calling people names because you personally disagree with a position that YOU MADE UP for someone else.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be easier to just open up notepad on your computer and make up positions for others and then disagree with them?</p>
<p>I have no problem with disagreement, but you are factually incorrect and trying to read my mind.  I&#8217;ve tried to explain my position and you&#8217;ve deliberately ignored me.  I cannot reason with those who refuse to reason.  Feel free to come back and disagree on facts or positions.  Until then, good day.
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		<title>by: yootoo</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1282468</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Cao writes, &quot;It’s unfortunate that some people are so thick that you have to sit down and explain it to them…it’s like a grownup explaining a joke to a child…&quot;

I know, Cao, I know. Dealing with Ogre is SUCH a trial.

Cao then shows off her own yawning ignorance by writing, &quot;What kind of yammering moron are you? (meaning me)

He starts it off with “big news today: sweat shops exist“.

Yes, Ogre admits that sweat shops exist. And then he says that they're GOOD thing! After all, he writes, &quot;when an Indian child is working and producing, but in less than perfect conditions, we’re supposed to be angry&quot;. He's SUPPORTING those sweatshops! Hence my calling him a scumbag. 

At no point have Ogre, Cao or GM come straight out and said, &quot;Third world children being sold into slavery is a bad thing&quot;. They think they're making a sophisticated point about media bias. They are, as always, wrong. They're also making that nonsensical point at the expense of abused children. Well done. Good luck looking at yourself in the mirror in the morning. Well, I guess that's easier when you have no morals and no conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cao writes, &#8220;It’s unfortunate that some people are so thick that you have to sit down and explain it to them…it’s like a grownup explaining a joke to a child…&#8221;</p>
<p>I know, Cao, I know. Dealing with Ogre is SUCH a trial.</p>
<p>Cao then shows off her own yawning ignorance by writing, &#8220;What kind of yammering moron are you? (meaning me)</p>
<p>He starts it off with “big news today: sweat shops exist“.</p>
<p>Yes, Ogre admits that sweat shops exist. And then he says that they&#8217;re GOOD thing! After all, he writes, &#8220;when an Indian child is working and producing, but in less than perfect conditions, we’re supposed to be angry&#8221;. He&#8217;s SUPPORTING those sweatshops! Hence my calling him a scumbag. </p>
<p>At no point have Ogre, Cao or GM come straight out and said, &#8220;Third world children being sold into slavery is a bad thing&#8221;. They think they&#8217;re making a sophisticated point about media bias. They are, as always, wrong. They&#8217;re also making that nonsensical point at the expense of abused children. Well done. Good luck looking at yourself in the mirror in the morning. Well, I guess that&#8217;s easier when you have no morals and no conscience.
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1281825</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yootoo, it would appear to me that you're just looking for something to be offended about.  I, GM, and Cao have all explained the post to you.  We've clearly explained that you're simply reading something that isn't there.  I don't know why you insist on reading what's not there.  What you're doing would be the same as me reading you comment and then asking you why you're not commenting and posting outrage about the ethnic cleansing in Darfur.

I'm pointing out that the media seems to only complain about certain types of things -- and contradicts itself often when it say that we're supposed to &quot;celebrate&quot; multiculturalism and accept ANYTHING any other culture does.  If you need links for examples of that, perhaps you should get out more, because nearly any page of any daily newspaper in this country does that.

I just wonder why they're outraged at this situation, but not at so many others where much more harm is being done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yootoo, it would appear to me that you&#8217;re just looking for something to be offended about.  I, GM, and Cao have all explained the post to you.  We&#8217;ve clearly explained that you&#8217;re simply reading something that isn&#8217;t there.  I don&#8217;t know why you insist on reading what&#8217;s not there.  What you&#8217;re doing would be the same as me reading you comment and then asking you why you&#8217;re not commenting and posting outrage about the ethnic cleansing in Darfur.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pointing out that the media seems to only complain about certain types of things &#8212; and contradicts itself often when it say that we&#8217;re supposed to &#8220;celebrate&#8221; multiculturalism and accept ANYTHING any other culture does.  If you need links for examples of that, perhaps you should get out more, because nearly any page of any daily newspaper in this country does that.</p>
<p>I just wonder why they&#8217;re outraged at this situation, but not at so many others where much more harm is being done.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1281788</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>:shock: What kind of yammering moron are you?

He starts it off with &quot;big news today: &lt;strong&gt;sweat shops exist&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;.

And I'll repeat it, for you since you found it necessary to post a many-word practically incoherent response:  'big news today:  SWEAT SHOPS EXIST&quot;.

and...
&lt;blockquote&gt;....a Palestinian child is dressed up in bombs and explosives that we are to support him and feel sorry for his family; however, when an Indian child is working and producing, but in less than perfect conditions, we’re supposed to be angry. Perhaps the media is more interested in framing &lt;strong&gt;anyone who produces and works as evil, while those who are destructive are supposed to be honored.&lt;/strong&gt; Good thing we have the formerly mainstream media around to let us know who we’re supposed to condemn.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Couldn't be much clearer than that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://thewideawakes.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />  What kind of yammering moron are you?</p>
<p>He starts it off with &#8220;big news today: <strong>sweat shops exist</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll repeat it, for you since you found it necessary to post a many-word practically incoherent response:  &#8216;big news today:  SWEAT SHOPS EXIST&#8221;.</p>
<p>and&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;.a Palestinian child is dressed up in bombs and explosives that we are to support him and feel sorry for his family; however, when an Indian child is working and producing, but in less than perfect conditions, we’re supposed to be angry. Perhaps the media is more interested in framing <strong>anyone who produces and works as evil, while those who are destructive are supposed to be honored.</strong> Good thing we have the formerly mainstream media around to let us know who we’re supposed to condemn.</p></blockquote>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t be much clearer than that&#8230;
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1281730</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Like I mentioned -- it's possible that (s)he just didn't understand what I was writing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I mentioned &#8212; it&#8217;s possible that (s)he just didn&#8217;t understand what I was writing about.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1281311</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's unfortunate that some people are so thick that you have to sit down and explain it to them...it's like a grownup explaining a joke to a child...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that some people are so thick that you have to sit down and explain it to them&#8230;it&#8217;s like a grownup explaining a joke to a child&#8230;
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		<title>by: yootoo</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1278050</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>From Ogre's comment above, his post had &quot;nothing to do with child labor&quot;. Yet he links to a story about how the Gap was using child labor in India, and his response to that story is to say, &quot;Oh, the humanity! Yes, 12-16 year olds were actually working and earning money. The British newspaper was full of condemnation. Why? Because we simply cannot have 14 year old working and earning a living. That’s not right!&quot; 

Instead, someone who is the tender age of 14 is supposed to be locked in a sterile building all day with others who are the exact same chronological age (even when different in mental ages)&quot;.

So, kids shouldn't be in school...they should be out earning a living. In a sweatshop. Where they work 16-hour shifts and receive no pay because they're still &quot;trainees&quot;. 

At the end of his post, Ogre writes, &quot;however, when an Indian child is working and producing, but in less than perfect conditions, we’re supposed to be angry.&quot;

Yes, this post had nothing to do with child labor. Ogre reads a story about 10-year-old boys being sold into servitude and worked like dogs and beaten and abused, and he writes that this living hell was merely &quot;less than perfect conditions&quot; and expresses astonishment that &quot;we're supposed to be angry&quot; as kids being treated this way. I think I called Ogre a scumbag in a previous comment--I was WAY too easy on him.

Ogre reads this story, and his reaction isn't horror at how these kids are mistreated, or the fact that the Gap was selling clothing made in these sweatshops...no, the light bulb flickers dimly in his mind and he thinks that this story points out the &quot;irony of the PC crowd in the media&quot;. That this makes no sense isn't surprising--Ogre obviously doesn't know what the word &quot;irony&quot; means. 

He also writes in his post, &quot;We are told, daily, that you cannot condemn a culture or religion for their beliefs.&quot;

Who tells us that? When? No links? Or is this just your typical pathetic white-male victimization at work? 

Ogre also writes, &quot;I find it strange that when a Palestinian child is dressed up in bombs and explosives that we are to support him and feel sorry for his family&quot;. 

I find it strange too, as I don't know of anyone who supports suicide bombing. Nor anyone who thinks that suicide bombing is an acceptable activity for a child. And, of course, Ogre provides no evidence for this idiotic statement.

If you want to point out the &quot;irony of the PC crowd in the media&quot;, why not write a post showing how specific articles and/or writers showed their hypocrisy? As I do to the writers at this site? If the best you can do is link to a story about forced child labor and think that's ironic, you're really desperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Ogre&#8217;s comment above, his post had &#8220;nothing to do with child labor&#8221;. Yet he links to a story about how the Gap was using child labor in India, and his response to that story is to say, &#8220;Oh, the humanity! Yes, 12-16 year olds were actually working and earning money. The British newspaper was full of condemnation. Why? Because we simply cannot have 14 year old working and earning a living. That’s not right!&#8221; </p>
<p>Instead, someone who is the tender age of 14 is supposed to be locked in a sterile building all day with others who are the exact same chronological age (even when different in mental ages)&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, kids shouldn&#8217;t be in school&#8230;they should be out earning a living. In a sweatshop. Where they work 16-hour shifts and receive no pay because they&#8217;re still &#8220;trainees&#8221;. </p>
<p>At the end of his post, Ogre writes, &#8220;however, when an Indian child is working and producing, but in less than perfect conditions, we’re supposed to be angry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, this post had nothing to do with child labor. Ogre reads a story about 10-year-old boys being sold into servitude and worked like dogs and beaten and abused, and he writes that this living hell was merely &#8220;less than perfect conditions&#8221; and expresses astonishment that &#8220;we&#8217;re supposed to be angry&#8221; as kids being treated this way. I think I called Ogre a scumbag in a previous comment&#8211;I was WAY too easy on him.</p>
<p>Ogre reads this story, and his reaction isn&#8217;t horror at how these kids are mistreated, or the fact that the Gap was selling clothing made in these sweatshops&#8230;no, the light bulb flickers dimly in his mind and he thinks that this story points out the &#8220;irony of the PC crowd in the media&#8221;. That this makes no sense isn&#8217;t surprising&#8211;Ogre obviously doesn&#8217;t know what the word &#8220;irony&#8221; means. </p>
<p>He also writes in his post, &#8220;We are told, daily, that you cannot condemn a culture or religion for their beliefs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who tells us that? When? No links? Or is this just your typical pathetic white-male victimization at work? </p>
<p>Ogre also writes, &#8220;I find it strange that when a Palestinian child is dressed up in bombs and explosives that we are to support him and feel sorry for his family&#8221;. </p>
<p>I find it strange too, as I don&#8217;t know of anyone who supports suicide bombing. Nor anyone who thinks that suicide bombing is an acceptable activity for a child. And, of course, Ogre provides no evidence for this idiotic statement.</p>
<p>If you want to point out the &#8220;irony of the PC crowd in the media&#8221;, why not write a post showing how specific articles and/or writers showed their hypocrisy? As I do to the writers at this site? If the best you can do is link to a story about forced child labor and think that&#8217;s ironic, you&#8217;re really desperate.
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		<title>by: Ogre</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1277962</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I can see you still don't get it.  My comment in response to you was as far-fetched as your original comment.

But then perhaps you honestly do not understand.  If that's the case, I'll try and explain a little:

This post had nothing to do with child labor.  As GM pointed out, the post was pointing out the irony of the PC crowd in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see you still don&#8217;t get it.  My comment in response to you was as far-fetched as your original comment.</p>
<p>But then perhaps you honestly do not understand.  If that&#8217;s the case, I&#8217;ll try and explain a little:</p>
<p>This post had nothing to do with child labor.  As GM pointed out, the post was pointing out the irony of the PC crowd in the media.
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		<title>by: yootoo</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1277816</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm trying to think what's more profoundly dishonest--that Ogre believes that my opposition to forced child labor makes me &quot;despise people who work&quot;, or his (and Cao's) pathetic attempt to distract by saying that I am plotting to have GM &quot;assassinated&quot;. When of course I said no such thing in my comment about his post. Nice lie, nice try. 

You're all either too stupid or too morally bankrupt to understand that selling 10-year-olds into forced labor camps is a BAD thing. Either way, my contempt for you is wholly justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to think what&#8217;s more profoundly dishonest&#8211;that Ogre believes that my opposition to forced child labor makes me &#8220;despise people who work&#8221;, or his (and Cao&#8217;s) pathetic attempt to distract by saying that I am plotting to have GM &#8220;assassinated&#8221;. When of course I said no such thing in my comment about his post. Nice lie, nice try. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re all either too stupid or too morally bankrupt to understand that selling 10-year-olds into forced labor camps is a BAD thing. Either way, my contempt for you is wholly justified.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2007/10/29/another-sweatshop/#comment-1276337</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That's another thing they have in common with nazi germany...wanting to have people with differences of opinion &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=F54jJBcrs50C&amp;pg=PA15&amp;lpg=PA15&amp;dq=leftist+assassins&amp;source=web&amp;ots=fEzdgKjiCc&amp;sig=wx3yIOyEo2gLVW-blrwBc_53lSI&quot;&gt;assassinated.&lt;/a&gt;

That's why they were selling t-shirts of Bush with a bullethole in his head...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s another thing they have in common with nazi germany&#8230;wanting to have people with differences of opinion <a target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=F54jJBcrs50C&#038;pg=PA15&#038;lpg=PA15&#038;dq=leftist+assassins&#038;source=web&#038;ots=fEzdgKjiCc&#038;sig=wx3yIOyEo2gLVW-blrwBc_53lSI">assassinated.</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why they were selling t-shirts of Bush with a bullethole in his head&#8230;
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