The police were called, and did they go after the criminals? Did they congratulate the home owner on his courage?
No.
They arrested him and charged him with “conduct endangering life and firearm offences.”
He defended his home against intruders, and is the one facing jail.
I am sick and tired of seeing this shit, day after day.
Sick and tired of seeing the criminals coddled, whilst the innocent, law abiding public suffers.
Sick of the perverted, twisted logic that has the victim charged and the criminal walks away.
Sick of the liberal bullshit that took our rights away..sick of the fact that I am not permitted a weapon for home defence, when our own police have admitted they are helpless to prevent the criminal element getting their hands on everything up to, and including, rocket launchers.
It takes months to go through the tortuous process to get a license to own a firearm. The criminal walks up to a mate, hands over some money, and the gun is his.
Defend your home, go to jail.
I am ashamed to be an Australian tonight.
It actually disgusts me, to a degree, that a man could be charged for protecting himself and his familly. Self Defense laws in Australia stipulate that one may defend himself with a ‘reasonable level of force’. However, on the other hand, there are Australian’s who wish for our country to be like America, and have her accompanying firearm death toll.
One in every ten thousand Americans will die because of a firearm this year.
One in every eighty thousand Australians will die because of a firearm this year.
I wonder if Sonnabend prefers the firearm death tolls before, or after the restrictions. Let’s face it, homicide levels have halved mate. Get a grip.
Comment by Goshdarnit — 6/27/2007 @ 6:06 am
I prefer the right to defend myself, I prefer the right to keep and bear arms, I prefer it if the criminal is afraid of ME and not the other way around.
A man is dead in Melbourne, shot with an illegal gun. A man is dead in another state from a home invasion, for an illegal gun.
There continue to be armed robberies and home invasions, with illegal guns.
The youth gangs in this city have access to everything up to and including machine guns.
NINE rocket launchers were stolen, ONE has been recovered.
At least one of those rocket launchers is now in the hands of a BIKER GANG.
An entire ARSENAL of Glocks was stolen (police weapons no less) ands they have never been recovered.
Hey Gosh…chew on this.
Hoddle Street, gun free zone, Strathfield gun free zone, Colombine gun free zone, VT gun free zone, Dunblane gun free zone, Port Arthur gun free zone.
Do we see a pattern here???
90% of gun crime is committed by criminals with unregistered guns.
So tell me how gun laws or more gun laws and more gun laws will stop criminals getting their hands on guns?
Answer:
THEY DON’T.
Gun laws didn’t stop this
Or this
All the gun laws have done, is ensure law abiding citizens have a nightmare trying to get a license to own a firearm..so now only the criminals have guns, and when a legal gun owner uses a gun to defend himself, HE gets charged????
If you’re going to comment, check your facts, or I send your shit to the spam filter.
Clear?
Comment by Sonnabend — 6/27/2007 @ 6:55 am
Goshdarnit,
Have you ever been to America? The fact is, criminals get guns regardless of what the law says and it is criminals who commit crimes with the guns. They stole rocket launchers and police guns? WOW, I can see how your tough gun laws have prevented criminals from committing crime. You should be proud.
Did you also realize that in America, about 3 million crimes are PREVENTED each year because a citizen legally brandished a weapon?
More people are killed in America in car crashes so we should ban cars. More people in America die from cancer so we should ban smoking and exposure to the sun. More people in America die from heart attacks so we should ban fatty foods.
If your gun laws work, how do these criminals get guns anyway? Oh yeah, they do not OBEY THE LAW. Get a grip on reality.
What America suffers from is a liberal philosophy that lets criminals back on the street. If we locked them up and kept them there, we would have few, if any, repeat offenses. What you guys are doing, and what our liberals want to do, is punish law abiding citizens for the acts of criminals. Maybe they should just start giving you speeding tickets because they can not catch all the speeders…
An unarmed citizenry is a slave state subject to the whims of government. Tyranny results from such circumstances. With Australia’s history (and where she came from), I would think you would know that.
Comment by Big Dog — 6/27/2007 @ 7:46 am
The media conveniently forgets this as well
In 2002, they were discussing removing the ban on CCW holders being armed and on campus.
Had the VT students kept their guns that they had LEGALLY been licensed to carry on campus, Cho would be dead and his victims alive.
Had a gun bearing citizen been at Port Arthur, Bryant would be dead.
Go look up Timothy Nam.
Comment by Sonnabend — 6/27/2007 @ 8:12 am
ok boy….now that BD and Sonnabend have set you straight, I want to remind you to look up Kennesaw, Georgia.
Go on….google it….we’ll wait.
OK now see? The answer is more guns in more law abiding citizens hands, not less, but for some reason the liberal mind works completely backwards.
People like you suffer from cranial-rectalitis…get a glass belly button and pray to ST.FU!
Comment by kender — 6/27/2007 @ 9:39 am
Goshdarnit, how many of those firearm deaths — in either country — were because of a criminal having a gun and using it with criminal intent? And how many were because of a homeowner having a gun and using it to protect himself? You’re comparing apples and oranges. If some idiot breaks into my home, he’d better catch me on the crapper, because that’s the only place I frequent in my home that doesn’t have a loaded gun within easy reach. There’s one beside my recliner in the living room, one beside my bed at night, and one in my office. Please avail yourself of the “Gun Control” page at JustFacts.com (http://www.justfacts.com/issues.guncontrol.asp). You might learn something.
TD
Comment by TD — 6/27/2007 @ 10:14 am
I’m not comparing anything. Apparently more people are shot in the US, then are protected by their own firearms. Interesting. Sonnabend, I believe the recent Melbourne CBD shootings are the first for the year in Victoria. But let’s conveniently overlook that piece of information. I don’t really need to counter your argument Sonnabend, the death toll, or lack thereof, really is speaking for itself. Although, I do feel for Christopher Hudson’s victims. So what is particularly interesting is, that although Kender claims that Big Dog and Sonnabend have set me straight, they haven’t provided information as to the firearm death toll in Australia. Which is pretty damned low. So instead of me providing my clearly biased factual death toll, I will ask Sonnabend to provide the Australian firearm death toll stats for this year. Sonnabend, feel free to emphasize unregistered firearms.
America will never control firearms, as the country’s culture is too rife with weapons. Australia does not wish to stray down that path. Only Australian’s like Sonnabend wish it to.
Sonnabend: We need more Australian firearm-related deaths damn you!!!
Oh, the hilarity.
Comment by Goshdarnit — 6/30/2007 @ 10:23 am
Oh, I just wish to add, that all citizens (even home owners) are considered law-abiding citizens until they become criminals. Capiche?
Comment by Goshdarnit — 6/30/2007 @ 10:25 am
Like any typical liberal, you have ignored the facts placed before you, only regurgitating the same talking points.
There have been shootings all YEAR, idiot, ALL of them by CRIMINALS using guns they obtained ILLEGALLY.
Again,. and you fail to address this, the gun laws will have NO effect on people who get guns illegally.
The only effect of gun laws is to disarm the law abiding public and to give criminals the weapons with which to prey, murder and rob at will.
I want the right to keep and bear arms,I am a law abiding citizen with a clean record and a responsible citizen.
How did the gun laws stop the Melbourne CBD shooting? How did the gun laws stop the hundreds of gun related armed robberies this year? Home invasions?
They didn’t.
Case closed.
Comment by Sonnabend — 6/30/2007 @ 4:56 pm
Y’know, Gosh..I’m going to exercise the spirit of those gun laws with this blog.
You are not a responsible user of this blog…therefore you are no longer permitted to post here.
You cant be trusted to use this blog responsibly, as others have abused the right before, so as of now, you’re banned from commenting here.
Any comments you make in future will be deleted.
Comment by Sonnabend — 6/30/2007 @ 4:59 pm
Guns are illegal in Scotland so they use cars as weapons
Comment by Richard Nixon — 7/1/2007 @ 12:59 pm
hehehe. Sonnabend, I don’t think he thought you were serious. Eventually he’ll stop trying when he realizes you were.
Comment by Cao — 7/1/2007 @ 6:42 pm
gosh, excuse me for butting in like this, but Cao is on vacation. And since she’s enabled me to help out behind the scenes with spam and whatnot, I think your naming her a ‘tool’ is uncalled for. In addition, even though you’re slick enough to use different IP addresses, notice how none of your comments have made it to the publication stage?
GET MY DRIFT?
sonnabend was not joking. You are gone. So off with you, mate, before something else happens to you!
meatbrain. Or whoever you are, tanya rich…
Comment by ghostrider — 7/8/2007 @ 2:30 pm
Actually I rather prefer having goshdarnit around to stir up a bit of thought. Sonnebend consider changing your mind for entertainment value. I was able to debate goshdarnit to a truce once….quite enjoyable. Plus it is nice to know what she is thinking (and others like her)
Comment by Richard Nixon — 7/8/2007 @ 3:25 pm
Ghostrider, I don’t know how long you have been hall monitor, I mean, ’spam moderator’, and I’m sure I, and one of my many different alias’s has come up more than once or twice. And I’m sure the address of a person named Tanya Rich has come up as well. Well I’ll drop you a hint: my name ain’t Ms Rich. But I’ll give you a pat on the back for your attempt at fourth grade intellect. Congratulations, you read an alleged mailing address attached to my posting. Clever you. Of course that’s not my darned email. But I’ll give you brownie points for trying to play the smart kid. Try harder. Second tip, attempt to identify the other alias’s I’ve dropped in under, reference writing style and tone of prose. Then back check those against the adjacent IP addresses. Once you’ve compiled a list, check the server moderators until you, EVENTUALLY, come across my real identity. Otherwise, Give. It. Up.
Oh yeah. I forgot. I already have given out my real identity, on this site. Who cares? No brownie points if you figure it out.
By the way, I was Nicholas Cage’s stand in for the film of the same title as your moniker, Ghostrider. So I don’t think I’d be much of a Tanya. And I’m not Rich.
Those who can counter my arguments here, are probably not so threatened by my presence. Those who aren’t so certain of their resolution on the other hand…
It’s okay Ghostrider, delete this post, it’s only intended for two readers, who eyes I’m certain, will come across this.
Sonnabend, you sad, sad little man. I can only imagine what a week, fearful, and voiceless individual you really are. Goshdarnit, you scare me. I need some Thorazine now…
I feel like Jack Nicholson. “You CAN’T HANDLE the truth!” Well baby, YEAH!!! Ain’t that the truth.
Mr. Nixon, it would seem, is the only one mentally tough enough to be able to take me down.
Comment by Goshdarnit — 7/9/2007 @ 3:35 am
How about being simply sick and tired of your bullshit?
Incidentally, how about them gun laws, huh? How they stopped fourteen armed robberies..oh no, they didn’t…
Or the Wellington service station that was robbed at gunpoint
I mean really, Gosh. All those gun crimes, stopped by our gun laws..oh wait, they didn’t,did they?
I can post examples of gun crime every single day and not ONE of them will have been committed by a LEGAL GUN OWNER.
Tell me again how our gun laws keep us safe? Tell us how those vaunted gun laws stop gun crimes from being committed?
Let me lay it out for you, so that you clearly understand.
The only effect of gun laws and gun restrictions it to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, leaving them prey to well armed criminals.
Pair to front court over hotel armed hold-up
Armed robbers target Punchbowl club
How about you address the post, Goshdarnit? How about you use that super hero “Nicholas Cage stand in” mojo and explain to me just how the gun laws in this country benefit ANYONE except the criminal?
The next time a family is home invaded, raped and murdered at gunpoint, will you say “but thats all right we have gun laws”??
Or admit that its about damned time the citizens of this country were given back the right to keep and bear arms for self protection??
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/9/2007 @ 6:23 am
Oh dear, now look whats happened.Those great and wonderful gun laws have struck again
ATM guards at dire risk
Shopkeepers robbed at gunpoint.
Homeowners robbed at gunpoint.
Cars hijacked at gunpoint.
Women raped at gunpoint.
Home invasions at gunpoint.
i am waiting for the great and incredibly courageous stand in of Nicholas Cage to explain to me how your cherished gun laws will do anything to stop the continued gun crime in this city.
When will it get through that thick head of yours that the issue here is not guns, but the fact that the criminals have them, we don’t and as a result we are the victims here???
The death toll is low? They are STILL DEAD, aren’t they?
How many of the crimes I have posted have been committed by LEGAL gun owners, Goshdarnit?
I’ll save you the time.
NONE.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/9/2007 @ 6:09 pm
“Apparently more people are shot in the US, then are protected by their own firearms.”
That’s simply not true. It just isn’t, no matter how many time people who hate guns state it.
Comment by Ogre — 7/10/2007 @ 6:31 am
Nothing is as such because we simply wish it to be so Ogre.
INARGUABLE, UNDENIABLE FACT: Firearm related deaths in Australia have dropped by fifty percent.
Sonnabend, do you believe this IS NOT the case? Gun deaths are not equal to, or higher because you “simply wish it to be”.
“There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998.”
– Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, Oct 1999
“Guns killed more than 5000 people in Australia in the past decade. Nine out of 10 of the victims were male and most of them killed themselves.
The number of deaths caused by firearms dropped almost 50 per cent between 1991 and 2001, with the biggest yearly fall in deaths coming after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.
A report by the Australian Institute of Criminology released yesterday found that the number of deaths caused by guns each year dropped to 333 in 2001 from 629 in 1991.
The biggest single form of firearm death was suicide, accounting for 3930 fatalities out of a total of 5083 studied. The number fell from 505 in 1991 to 261 in 2001.
Men were the victims of 4586 firearm deaths, women were victims of 497 - 261 of which were recorded as homicide.
Homicides dropped to 47 in 2001 from 84 in 1991, accidental deaths dropped to 18 from 29, while other forms of firearm deaths slipped to seven from 11.
The biggest drop in deaths followed Port Arthur, when Martin Bryant murdered 35 people with a military-style weapon.
After the massacre, tough gun laws were enacted across Australia, specifically targeting military-style weapons, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of weapons being destroyed.
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In 1996, 521 people died from gun-inflicted wounds, while in 1997 this dropped to 437. ” -The Age (Melbourne News Publication.)
So gun deaths have not decreased? Take a long breath, and look at your argument Sonnabend. Yes, we’d all personally like a firearm, because at least we know we can trust ourselves when it comes to defense. Who we can’t trust is everyone else.
Deaths have dropped 50%. It can’t be argued any other way.
Comment by Goshdarnit — 7/10/2007 @ 10:03 pm
So your justification for taking the right to keep and bear arms out of the hands of law abiding citizens is that SUICIDE rate by firearm has dropped???
Are you shitting me??
You’re telling me that I am required by law to be a victim, when some nutcase wielding a knife or a samurai sword is because people dont get to use guns any more to kill themselves???
A few weeks ago, a man and his girlfriend were robbed in this manner…had they been allowed to have a gun for self protection, the crime would have ended very differently.
Our gun laws ***specifically state** that the right to own as firearm does not include self defence as a valid reason to own one.
As it is he got away with money, jewels and other valuables.
What should have happened, is that he should have been shot dead, and his body left for the cops to clean up.
So they killed themselves with other means, suicide is NOT a crime, dammit, it is not an offence either, only by some archaic law.
They wanna die, let ‘em. A suicide does NOT equal a rape at gunpoint.
And thats the number of DEATHS, not the number of CRIMES, Gosh, an other fact you’ve conveniently ignored.
How many gun CRIMES have increased since the populace was disarmed?How many home invasions, armed robberies, burglaries, rapes by gunpoint? Care to find me those statistics?
Yeah, they hanged themselves instead, or took poison, or drove off a cliff.
Calling suicide by firearm a crime is like calling a tail a leg..it’s WRONG.
How many women raped at gunpoint? How many homes smashed into and robbed, their owners and residents raped, savaged, brutalised??
How many armed robberies? How many bank robberies?
Find me those statistics, Gosh, prove to me that the gun laws have helped STOP or slow the number of gun CRIMES in this country.
You are in for one hell of a surprise.
Try this as well
Bottom line is this.The gun laws effectively forced those who wanted to commit suicide by firearm to use other methods.
And for that result, I get to sit in my home and be a victim for anyone who chooses to break in and attack me.???
I dare not retaliate, because if I do, then I will have to sit in front of a jury and explain my actions in 290./20 hindsight whilst they sit and deliberate if I violated the rights of the poor criminal.
I want the right to keep and bear arms.
I want the right to armed self defence.
I want my rights back.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/11/2007 @ 6:51 pm
Gosh is just arguing to argue, using cutting and pasting of single-issue strawmen that have nothing to do with the actual issue.
As Archie Bunker once said, “Would you be happier if they all fell outta windows?”
Simple stating that gun “deaths” decreased has no value. It does not state anything about crime, use of guns, or anything at all, well, actually related to guns. As you point out Sonnabend, the primary reason that statistic exists is because people who were committing suicide with guns stopped when they became illegal. Dumb statistic, but that’s the kind Goshdarnit loves.
Comment by Ogre — 7/12/2007 @ 10:16 am
Hey, here’s another one, let’s all give a rousing round of applause for the gun laws, shall we?
Shots fired at house: one injured.
Yep, our gun laws sure do stop gun crime.
Still waiting for you to show me how the gun laws have stopped gun crime, Goshie..show me how it has stopped or slowed the armed robberies, home invasions, carjackings….all at gunpoint.
Did the stringent gun laws that keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens stop this from happening?
No.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/12/2007 @ 7:21 pm
Good lord, another victory for the gun laws.
88-year-old escapes drive-by shooting
Does this factor into your “deaths have been halved” meme???..I am grateful they were not killed but from your POV, hey it’s no big deal, our gun laws keep us safe, don’t they? I mean all those vaunted gun laws mean that there is no gun crime and no one who shouldn’t have one owns a gun.,..except the gang members, the drug dealers, the armed robbers…the home invaders..the rapists….the extortionists, the gun runners, the drug manufacturers….
Just keep believing that tripe, Goshie. This will be the last one of these examples I will post..and I note the deafening silence from your corner.
Wassamatta, Goshie…cat got your tongue??
Goshdarnit: Here it is in a nutshell…with all of the examples I have posted above, and ONLY addressing those, refute the following statement:
The only purpose, and sole accomplishment, of the massive raft of gun laws and gun restrictions in Australia, has been to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens for the purposes of self defence, leaving them at the mercy of criminals. The laws and restrictions have done nothing to prevent criminals from acquiring and using whatever firearms and weapons they wish, and will never be able to stop the flow of illegal guns and ammunition into their hands.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/14/2007 @ 1:03 am
I wonder why Aussies have petrol tanks and we have gas tanks……is petrol cheaper?
Comment by Richard Nixon — 7/14/2007 @ 7:17 am
No, you Yanks just use “gas” instead of “petrol” the same way Gosh uses mush instead of brains.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/14/2007 @ 7:24 am
I am one of the few whom have been deemed suitable to own firearms in Australia. I live in regional WA and use these “Tools” to control vermin on my property.
I believe that the only effect of our stringent gun laws has been to disarm law abiding gun owners.
Criminals will still find guns wherever they want, no 28 day police checks, no restriction on calibre or type. Recent events in Melbourne prove that.
The depressed will still kill themselves, ask my brother, oh sorry you can’t, he topped himself this last January, LPG bottle in the back seat of his car, just as ugly as a gun, I know, I found him.
For those extreme conspiracists, we now have no self defence when 400 odd million Indons decide that Oz is too big for just 20 million infidels.
Goshie, True fact - less than 10% of all firearms “CRIME” is committed by licenced
firearm owners. Martin Bryant and Julian Knight were licenced firearm owners.
The perpetrators of the Milperra massacre were criminals, outlaw bikers,as is Chris Hudson, all used illegal weapons.
The random drive by shootings in Sydneys West were commited using illegal guns.
Suicide is not a crime, surviving your attempt is.
Please find a cause that you know something about to direct your vitriol towards, because you are grossly misinformed and, please excuse the pun, shooting from the hip.
Comment by Marchpig — 7/14/2007 @ 9:32 am
Marchpig…believe me when i tell you I am so sorry..no one should have had to deal with that. Please, from a stranger, accept my sympathies.
I don’t think Gosh will ever listen..nor will our government.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/14/2007 @ 9:49 am
S’cool, I’m dealing. Just can’t stand people who pontificate ’bout shit they know shit about.
Comment by Marchpig — 7/14/2007 @ 10:22 am
I would be very interested to hear your take on this..I tried to get a gun license but the amount of bullshit I had to go through just made me give up in disgust.
You’re a gun owner, you know far more than I do..so please, I’d like to hear your opinions.
Floor’s open so fire away.
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/14/2007 @ 10:25 am
Firearms ownership is not for everyone, in fact, unless you are an active Rifle or Pistol club member, regular hunter or security Guard, then I have a big problem with those living in suburbia keeping firearms.
That being said, the easiest way to obtaining a firearms licence is to join an aforementioned club.
the SSAA,www.ssaa.org.au/ or NRAA, www.nraa.com.au/, can provide you with your nearest club.
Alternatively, obtaining “Permission to Shoot” letters from a coupla farmer friends is recommended, just remember the larger the weapon, the larger the property required.
I am a member of my local rifle club, and I find this sport extremely rewarding.
Patience and hoop jumping is about the only way these days, and I think rightly so, one benefit of our neolithic gun laws is that now at least, those wanting firearms are properly vetted.
If Martin Bryant had been subject to this, I doubt Port Arthur would have happened at all.
Comment by Marchpig — 7/14/2007 @ 11:12 am
Funny thing is, I have been an active member of the Greens for the past 5 years, and very green for the last 20 or so years.
I still hold much of their doctrine to heart, but the isolation of this outlook in the real world, and my advancing years have me questioning my allegiances.
Our local member is a National, and he and his state leader are proving to be extremely hard working and a lot more reasonable then I could have ever thought in my youth.
Fortunately, I could never bring myself to vote for or support the little rat who introduced these gun laws, but the Nationals are starting to pique my interest.
Comment by Marchpig — 7/14/2007 @ 11:26 am
Sonnabend, if you can provide PROOF (ABS- supported perhaps) that homicides (as in NOT suicides) have NOT decreased, then as far as this arguments concerned, you will have made your point, and I will have nothing further to say.
But on the other hand, if you cannot, then you don’t really have a point to make here at all here then do you?
Notably predicted also, was that the imbeciles fell into a dugout hole that was the statistical, and SPECIFIC reference to suicides. Ogre, Sonnabend, did you both not bother to actual regard the figures. Of course suicides are the prominent cause of death in reference to firearms. You ignored the second largest attributing factor: firearm homicide. Kudos to you for your deliberate ignorance.
SONNABEND, you could care less that HOMICIDES, yes HOMICIDES, not just suicides, have HALVED in the past decade.
In fact, you have painted a definitive, and clear picture, that you would rather that HOMICIDES had increased to add validity to your non-existant argument.
YOU GOTTA BE SHITTIN’ ME.
You can throw in all the crimes in the whole country, but if you don’t compare the present day stats to those of say, pre 1997, then once again, you have no point.
Firearm. Homicide. Has. Halved.
Don’t like that do ya’ folks!
Comment by Goshdarnit — 7/15/2007 @ 11:58 pm
Suicides have halved.Check your own statistics. Or gotten less than half.The only person they are killing is themselves.
Gun crime is on the increase.
Like the dead Queensland police officer today.
Now piss off, will you?
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/19/2007 @ 6:08 am
I can see why you’re pissed, S, and I don’t understand why he doesn’t just address the other people who are willing to entertain the trained monkey.
Gosh, you’ve been let back in because of Richard Nixon - not because you’ve entered back into my good graces.
I would suggest that you stop demanding things of Sonnabed and just address the people who are still willing to communicate with you; which doesn’t include ME, either.
Comment by Cao — 7/19/2007 @ 9:57 am
Thanks Cao.I may have to enter this debate as the moderator
Comment by Richard Nixon — 7/19/2007 @ 7:44 pm
Comment by Cao — 7/19/2007 @ 9:08 pm
Hey Goshie, guess what , not another homicide, but another GUN crime..you know, the guns that don’t exist because we have all those gun laws?
Man charged over armed kidnap in Sydney
I keep posting them day after day, and you will NOT admit that gun CRIME using ILLEGAL weapons is on the RISE, and that the laws you are so valiantly defending are doing NOTHING to stop it.
The gun laws in this country have disarmed the law abiding citizen and left them prey to well armed criminals who have an endless supply of guns.
Did the man who shot the Queensland police officer have a legal gun?
No.
Did the man who murdered the lawyer in Melbourne have a legal gun?
No.
Did the men who committed a string of armed robberies get their guns LEGALLY?
No.
So riddle me this, Goshie, how are the gun laws keeping me safe? Or is this a case of you saying that I cant be trusted with a firearm?
That you know better than me whats good for me?
I want a gun for self defence. I am a law abiding citizen with a spotless record.
Give me good reason why I should not be allowed to own a gun for self defence in my own home.
Give me good reason why I as a responsible adult should not be permitted to own a concealed weapon for my own defence.
Given the MASSIVE number of gun crimes I have provided, Goshie, explain to me why I am not allowed to own a gun, or should go through a thousand hoops and laws…when all a criminal does is walk into a pub and buy one?
By the way, there are still nine high explosive rockets missing..cops haven’t found those either.
Oh and please, Mr Cage stand-in, don’t even try to tell me it is hard to illegally obtain a firearm in this city.
Military weapons in hands of gangs
Bikie gangs gun-run fear
Comment by Sonnabend — 7/20/2007 @ 3:34 am
I have lots of guns in my house that have never harmed anyone or anything…..unless I (a human being with intent) pulled the trigger (I went hunting once). If I did not have a gun I would have still hunter with a bow or something (dynamite?)
I think the fact that people are blowing up cars in Britian with their stringent gun laws shows that if a criminal wants to do harm he will, so it is not guns it is people……lets kill all the people, but lets not use guns, that will solve the problem (very much tongue in cheek)
Comment by Richard Nixon — 7/20/2007 @ 10:36 am
Richo has the main point Goshie.
Guns, in and of themslves, don’t kill people, the trigger has to be pulled, the club swung, the molotov thrown.
Basically we should all be legislated out of existance, thats if want to get to core of HOMOCIDE and all the other ills of this planet.
Comment by Marchpig — 7/21/2007 @ 7:00 am