The Wide Awakes » Foley, CREW and Jason Leopold

10/2/2006

This is for Mean Gene who was complaining that this subject hasn’t been covered yet. It might require a little work on your part; clicking on the links in the post to get the entire giste of it.
That’s the word for it; the latest democratic hitjob which is being discussed behind the scenes, under the covers, and is now out in the open, thanks to CREW, the group that is representing Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson in their ridiculous lawsuit even after they’ve been exposed as a couple of democrat pandering liars.

This reveals in my mind a hypocritical double-standard. Peter Porcupine pointed out to a group of us that Rep. Gerry Studds, A Massachusetts democrat and Congressman, not only solicited a 15-year-old House page-but got him drunk on Cape Cod and sodomized him. Rep Studds was able to evade prosecution, as it happened in his Dupont Circle home, and the age of consent is lower in Washington proper.

He was then reelected by Mass. Democrats, proving that sexual exploitation of a child is no reason not to reelect a Democrat, and left the House in 1996.

On the other hand, you have a Republican who sends emails and is then forced to resign. Hmmm..

As Rick Moran points out in his great post on the subject, let’s consider the facts and when people knew what instead of jumping on the smear campaign bandwagon. Although judging from the repurcussions he’s experienced about that post if we didn’t know it before, we now know that smear is just about all the knuckledraggers have at this point in time; they have no new ideas, they have no strategy, they just have ‘attack’. Not a very good position to be in just before election time, so let’s have a little pity for their conspiracy theory generating hysteria.

Read Clarice Feldman over at the American Thinker and don’t even think about dropping troll turds in my comments section on this subject. Then, read another great analysis by Rick Moran of the genesis of a creepy looking website called Stop Sex Predators -which has the weird notoriety of being both nonoriginal in its content totally without readers, yet three people supposedly who had contact with Rep. Foley found it. Truthout’s Jason Leopold is implicated through mere speculation, as is CREW because they’re the ones who released the shocking string of emails, but I’ll let you parse through the posts and think about it for a bit. It’s a lot to consume; but it tells me there’s more afoot than what meets the eye, and I’m not talking about Foley’s behavior; I’m talking about what’s behind the carefully timed release of the shocking emails.

There were two strings of emails, one of which many people decided not to talk about because there was no implication of impropriety to them. The second string of emails was JUST RELEASED by CREW, a highly-charged political move designed to hit the airwaves right before election time, and perhaps turn morally prinicpled voters away. CREW is one of four George Soros-funded ‘public interest groups’ which endeavors, like the others, to attack and discredit members of the GOP, and along with that agenda, to ensure in what appear to be extreme and underhanded methods, the ‘win’ for democrats by default when a republican takes his fall as a result. It’s no wonder Soros is now talking about ‘getting out of politics’ when he has his minions doing his dirty work for him, all he has to do is sit back and enjoy the show.

Draw your own conclusions, but I find it to be, in a word; despicable

Said Cao @ 3:12 am | Permalink

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First let me point out that a blog gave those emails to the St. Petersburg Times a year ago. So, they’ve been around, who knows who had them. Second, CREW only posted the emails after ABC wrote about them.

Now, let me get this straight. You’re upset because the you might lose a seat in Congress. Yes, that must suck. You no doubt believe that the Republicans would graciously withheld any mention of a child-abuser in Congress until after the election. I’m sure they would, nothing says “clean” like a Republican campaign.

What puzzles me is that you seem more upset by the political fallout than that the Republican leadership left this guy in charge of the freaking Exploited Children’s Caucus. You’re not upset that they invited him to give speeches to the pages? You’re not upset that Republican staff members warned pages about Foley in 2001?

Is _everything_ a horse race to you? Does substance matter at all? Child molestation? Or just a seat in Congress?

It’s not even that the Democrats are _doing_ anything. The Republican leadership is tearing itself apart, and the media is pecking at the entrails.

Comment by Terry Boone — 10/2/2006 @ 4:07 am

Never mentioned the seat in Congress. Just talking about the timing of the hitjob, that’s all. I think it’s democrats who are more interested in their seats, and they’re not beneath stooping to incredible lows to get them.

Let’s not forget Valerie Plame and CREW’s involvement in that fiasco/lawsuit when she and her husband have both been revealed as partisan democrats and liars.

I don’t think Scooter Libby’s prosecution should continue, but I’m sure it will. This is now about sitting on the ‘wrong side’ of the ideological tracks and really has nothing to do with propriety.

Actually I don’t think the instant messaging convo was released until just recently. It was that first string of emails that people might have thought odd, but wasn’t significant enough; people are now going after Denny Hastert and others, but they didn’t know about that instant messaging convo.

Gateway Pundit has a nice roundup on this;

* Representative Foley did not have sex with the minor, did not have sex with the young man in the Oval office, did not put him in a high level security position he was not qualified to handle after a major terrorist attack on the country, was not married at the time, did not run a prostitution ring from his apartment, did not turn his back on Congress when he was accused of having sex with a minor, did not run and get re-elected several times in a democratic stronghold after this news broke, Representative Foley no longer sits in Congress, and the page did not disappear and end up dead after an ongoing relationship with Representative Foley.

So the fact that democrats are pointing fingers shows that they are only politicizing this very serious issue.

Second- The Republican leadership did followup with an investigation and Foley lied to them about the extent of his contact with the boy.

Third- Something more needs to be done to protect American youth from the predators in Washington.

Comment by Cao — 10/2/2006 @ 4:31 am

I’ll admit, Cao, I’m shocked. I didn’t think it was possible, but you shocked me. I never, in my darkest nightmares, thought you would defend a sexual predator on ideological grounds. Seriously, I thought you would say something like “what he did was wrong but Hastert and Boehner are innocent”.

But no. You say that this is a “democratic hitjob”. No matter that the Republican House leadership knew about these accusations since early 2005 (at the latest, mind you) and in fact kept the details about Foley’s behavior from the sole Democratic member of the House Page board. No Democrats knew about the complaints against Foley.

No matter that Foley was the House’s point man on the legislation that made it a crime to solicit sex on the Internet from those who are underage, no matter that Foley was the head of the “Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus”. No matter that, after they learned of his abhorrent behavior, Hastert and Boehner covered it up, and continuted to allow Foley to have access to underage boys.

No matter. Because the real crime here is that the truth came out at a politically inconvienient time, and therefore it must be a plot of the evil Democrats! And George Soros, he’s responsible! He’s responsible for everything!! I mean, so what if it was a Republican congressman preying on underage boys, and so what if it was the Republican House leadership who turned a blind eye and let it go on? How dare ANYONE question their divine authority? It was Soros! Democrats! Liberals! They did it!!! It’s has to be their fault!!!!!

You wrote: “The Republican leadership did followup with an investigation and Foley lied to them about the extent of his contact with the boy.”

Obviously that’s not true, as Hastert has called for the Justice Department to investigate the matter. That’s just a desperate attempt on his part to make it look like he’s doing something.

I mean, come on. “Foley lied to them about the extent of his contact with the boy.” That’s what you call an investigation? You don’t think that when you ask someone if they’ve been committing a felony by exchanging sexually-charged emails with an underage boy, they’re going to say, “Yes, yes I have.” You think that if they lie about it, that abolves the investigators? Try living in reality for a change.

It’s true that Foley didn’t have sex with the young man–but, oddly, that would have been legal, because the age of consent in DC is 16. But the law that the Republicans crowed over made Foley’s conduct very illegal indeed. The irony is, of course, almost beyond belief.

The difference between what Foley did and the Lewinsky affiar was that Foley was preying on underage kids who did not welcome his advances, while Clinton and Lewinsky were consenting adults. Let me say those two words again so you understand them–”CONSENTING ADULTS”. If two consenting adults want to have sex, that’s up to them, and whatever personal consequences come from that is on them. But when you have a grown man in a position of considerable power preying on 16-year-old boys…that’s a completely different situation. You do see that there’s a difference, right? I mean, you have little grasp of subtlety, I know, but this should be obvious even to you.

Oh, and you wanna talk about “hypocritacal double-standards?”. You mentioned Gerry Stubbs, the Democrat who who “not only solicited a 15-year-old House page-but got him drunk on Cape Cod and sodomized him.” Yeah, hope you have a lawyer handy, because that’s not true, and it’s libelous. He had sex with a 17-year-old, which is above the legal age of consent in DC. And it was a consensual sex. So your lie turns him into a statuatory rapist. Like I said, get your lawyer on the phone.

You also failed to point out that when word of Stubbs’s involvment with an underage page came out (by the way, this scandal happened back in 1983), there was a Republican accused of the same thing, Dan Crane of Illinois). How odd, how very, very odd that you would omit that. Crane had sex with a 17-year-old page as well, but a female one. Both congressmen were censured, as they should have been for engaging in behavior that was, at the very least, unethical considering their position. See, if a Democrat does something wrong, I am quite capable of pointing it out and saying it was wrong. But if the sex was consensual, neither Stubbs nor Crane did nothing illegal.

Newt Gingerich wanted them both expelled from the House. But those were different days. Today, when Republican House leaders learn that one of their members is a creepy sexual predator who keeps making advances on pages, the reaction is to cover it up. Keep it quiet. The kids will probably be alright.

What Foley did was wrong, regardless of his party affiliation. What Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky was wrong, but by about 10 orders of magnitude less than what Foley did. And what Hastert and Boehner did was abhorrent. You want to talk about the timing of this scandal? Then blame Hastert and Boehner. Had they done THEIR JOBS and handled the situation, this would’ve come out in 2005–maybe even sooner. No, they wanted to sweep it under the rug for as long as possible–and if Foley harassed more and more pages, or maybe went a bit further and molested or raped an underage boy in the meantime, well, that was a risk those cowardly, grasping men were willing to take. If they weren’t willing to provide oversight in a case like this, they certainly aren’t willing to provide oversight on anything. They should resign from Congress.

So, Cao, even by your standards, this is some pretty loathesome stuff. Providing cover for a sexual predator. Wow. At no point in your post or comment to you say that what Foley did was wrong. The closest you come is when you say “Something more needs to be done to protect American youth from the predators in Washington”, which of course hardly refers to Foley. Instead we get bizarre and hysterical ranting against Valerie Plame and George Soros, even though they played absolutely no part in what took place.

Like I said, I’m shocked. A guy is exposed as a sexual predator, his behavior is covered up…and to you the real crime is that the truth got out. That’s about as low as one can go.

Comment by Mean Gene — 10/2/2006 @ 8:31 am

Hell do you Conservatives have no sense of shame whatsoever? Foley was preying on underage boys. Partisanship be damned anyone guilty of such predatory action has no right to serve as an elected representative.

And how can you compare this with Monica? Ms. Lewinsky was a consenting adult as was Clinton. The key words being consenting and adult. Dumbass adultery with a willing partner can’t really be equated with making passes at boys below the age of consent.

As for your blaming the Democrats. Yeah, how dare they harp on about an honest Republican’s criminal indiscretions. Sure, he made sexual overtures towards children but hey, at least he didn’t go all John Wayne Gacy on his pages. Why we should clearly be praising him for his restraint!

Comment by FrankBlack — 10/2/2006 @ 3:11 pm

Why, yes, those are awful things that those dastardly Democrats did, but we expect that from them, as they are the party of Sodom and Gomorrah. So that’s all you’re able to come up with? Check this out: Republican pedophiles

But Foley was a Republican, the party of family values. So were all the House leaders who covered up for him. He was co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus. And — let’s try to keep this in mind — he was writing lewd messages and leering (and more) at boys who complained repeatedly.

There was no investigation. And if it were up to people like, there never will be. get your head straightened out, guy. It doesn’t matter what Clinton did. What matters is what Mark Foley did and what the Republican Party claims to stand for and what it actually is.

Comment by Jules Siegel — 10/2/2006 @ 5:10 pm

Funny how that little web site “Stop Sex Predators” just happend to pop up. No info in the profile, no comments section.

What I would like to know is WHO had these Instant Messages and WHEN did they have them.

It’s beginning to look like the Dems who have been braying about protecting children all weekend might be braying a bit too much.

Wouldn’t you think the lamestream news media would like to know WHO might be trying to play funny business with a congressional election and endangering children by withholding the IM’s until the most politically damaging moment?

And don’t expect this to be the last Dem dirty trick. They get away with this stuff all the time, so why not slime, smear or steal your way to victory?

P.S. Gene, do you support child molesters as long as they vote Democrat?

Comment by Mike's America — 10/3/2006 @ 1:47 am

1) Representative Foley did not have sex with the minor

How do you know? This isn’t over yet. There are 50 more IM threads.

2) Melony Slone and CREW
Ex-child sex crimes prosecutor Slone, turned what she had over the the FBI the same day she received it. I think all parents owe CREW (and Soros) a BIG FAT THANK YOU, for doing something to protect kids.

3) Republican leadership did followup with an investigation and Foley lied to them…

Imagine THAT! Not only a child preditor but a LIAR TOO! Are they stupid? The pages had complained to the GOP leadership about this guy and they leadership swept it all under the rug. They wouldn’t even share the compaint with the Democrat on the Ethics Comm.

IMHO, anyone who tries to protect or defend these bums is are bad as they are… for proecting and defending Foley.

Comment by Marko — 10/3/2006 @ 3:36 pm

Mike wrote, “P.S. Gene, do you support child molesters as long as they vote Democrat?”

From my comment above, I wrote this concerning the 1983 scandal involving Democrat Gerry Stubbs and Republican Dan Crane: “Both congressmen were censured, as they should have been for engaging in behavior that was, at the very least, unethical considering their position. See, if a Democrat does something wrong, I am quite capable of pointing it out and saying it was wrong.”

I also wrote this: “What Foley did was wrong, regardless of his party affiliation. What Clinton did with Monica Lewinsky was wrong…”

Glad to see your reading comprehension skills are as pathetic as your writing and analytical abilities.

Comment by Mean Gene — 10/3/2006 @ 5:41 pm

hehehe. An unemployed poker blogger talks about writing skills and analytical abilities?

Puhleez. Don’t make me laugh.

Comment by Cao — 10/3/2006 @ 5:57 pm

Who’s unemployed? Looks like your reading comprehension skills ain’t too good either. I just came back from working in Aruba for ten days, a gig I got because of my writing skills and analytical abilities. Skills I’ve amply demonstrated here time and time again.

And I don’t think trying to defend poor Mike’s inability to glean simple facts from a written document is a winning strategy. But then, neither is your decision to defend a creepy sexual predator by blaming the people who brought his gross misconduct to light.

Comment by Mean Gene — 10/3/2006 @ 6:46 pm

And you think you’re that much better Cao? Puhleez. Don’t make me laugh.
His analytical superiority outguns you by leaps and bounds. Commenting on his prose just highlight your argumentative inferiority. YOU WILL have to do better than that. (By the way, what is YOUR chosen profession exactly?)

I can’t comment on this issue, but I will go on to state that condoning pedophilic activity on your side of the ballot (and slamming it on the other) is hypocrisy in its lowest form. What can I say? Reminds me of scandals within the Catholic church.

Such coverups encompass the TRUE moral grounds of their conspirators. Cao this is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

-And YOU think you have the MORAL right to comment on homosexuals? Puhleez. A glass of Fred Phelps brand self-righteousness anyone? -

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/3/2006 @ 9:53 pm

“The Republican leadership did followup with an investigation and Foley lied to them about the extent of his contact with the boy.”
Sounds like a great investigation. It makes perfect sense to take at face value what is said by a guy who pages have been warned about since at least 2001. If you expect me to believe that the House leadership is that clueless, then your credibility is nil.

Comment by Guido's Piano — 10/4/2006 @ 5:40 am

Boy you’re making a bunch of wild false assumptions there.

I in no way condone pedophelia, but then…democrats support criminals of all kinds.

I mean consider what happened to Teddy Kennedy and the fact that he’s still in office.

I’d like to see you come up with a single republican who has done that kind of crime and hasn’t faced any consequences for it.

Basically the rules are not the same–and they’re not applied evenly across the board.

Clinton throws a party after his impeachment and continues to be touted as some kind of great humanitarian when he’s actually a rapist who did unheard of things in the oval office, and it’s not like that’s a secret.

Nixon was impeached and faded into obscurity, and had the common sense to resign, but he didn’t sodomize a jewish girl in the oval office now, did he?

But since Clinton has no moral compass, and neither does the Soros party, the people on that side get to do whatever they want; including smear campaigns against people who send emails as compared to sodomy in the oval office.

I find a great disparity between the two; I’m not saying that Republicans are all holier than thou, or perfect.

All those who commit crimes should face the consequences, but somehow I see a lot of democrats skating when they commit crimes.

As in the case of Plamegate, they continue to repeat the same lies, even after they’ve been exposed as liars. And CREW is a part of that embarrassing affair, supported by George Soros behind the scenes.

It’s no wonder Soros said he’d get out of politics, all his lackies are doing his dirty work for them and all he has to do is sit back and enjoy the show.

Comment by Cao — 10/4/2006 @ 7:22 am

Clinton didn’t rape anyone. Clinton didn’t “sodomize” Monica Lewinsky. Oral sex is hardly a deviant activity. If you think it is…well, that’s rather unfortunate for you.

Nixon was impeached for gross abuses of power, which is a far greater threat to our democracy than whether or not Clinton was having an affair (I also don’t see how Lewinsky being Jewish has anything to do with this). What Clinton did was morally repugnant and incredibly stupid, but it wasn’t illegal. What Nixon did was illegal and a threat to our democracy. There’s a huge difference.

Democrats skate free? Sure, the whole impeachment nonsense was no big deal, the whole 8-year Whitewater investigation was just a blip. The fact that there were no convictions shows how flimsy and politically motiviated those investigations were.

Try as many crazed right-wingers are trying, this scandal is wholly on the Republican leadership. One of their members acted in a totally unacceptable manner involving underage boys, and rather than do their job, they tried to keep it quiet. They put kids at risk to save themselves some embarassment. There is no excusing that, NONE. People like Hastert, Boehner and Reynolds have no business serving in the House, NONE. But even if they don’t do the honorable thing and resign, there will be new leadership in the House after November 7th. And what a happy day that will be for the United States of America.

Comment by Mean Gene — 10/4/2006 @ 11:54 am

Oh really? This is just one, there are hundreds of them from over the years.

Clinton raped Jane Doe No 5, Juanita Broaddrick of the Paula Jones suit.

On April 25, 1978, Clinton invited himself to her Little Rock (Camelot) hotel room, allegedly to discuss her nursing home business. There was another woman at that hotel that day, a nurse and friend of Jane Doe No 5, Norma Rogers-Kelsay, who says she iced her friend’s face immediately after Clinton raped and beat her.

In a telephone interview with NBC News aired March 28, 1998, Kelsay said Juanita was ‘distraught’ and in ‘quite bad shape,’ her ‘lips were swollen, at least double in size.’ She told me they had ‘intercourse against her will.’” Kelsay told Foxnews on 2/2/99 - “(Broaddrick) was hysterical - her lip was blue and bleeding and her hose were severely torn in the crotch area…”

NBC’s Lisa Myers reported (3/98) that Broaddrick, now 54, recently denied under oath that such an assault occurred. But Jone’s lawyers claim she had told their investigator that she had suffered a quote ‘horrible thing’ at the hand of Clinton, and did not want to relive it. “You know, it was just a horrible, horrible thing for me, and I wouldn’t relive it for anything.” She told them it had ‘turned her life upside down.’ And NBC News has talked to four other people from Arkansas who say Broaddrick told them of such an assault years ago.

Broaddrick, who calls Clinton “a cold bastard”, told the NY Post - “If my husband had his way at the time he would have killed him.” “If as governor of Arkansas he had not been so well-protected, I shudder to think what my husband would have done or what would have happened.”

After very brief small talk, Mr. Clinton … got her onto the bed, held her down forcibly and bit her lips. The sexual entry itself was not without some pain, she recalls, because of her stiffness and resistance.

The Wall Street Journal reported:

When it was over, she says, he looked down at her and said not to worry, he was sterile — he had had mumps when he was a child. Broaddrick told the paper: “As though that was the thing on my mind - I wasn’t thinking about the pregnancy, or about anything, I felt paralysed and started to cry.”

Broaddrick said that as Clinton started to leave he told her to put ice on her swollen lips.

She went on: “This is the part that always stays in my mind - the way he put on his sunglasses.

“Then he looked at me and said ‘You better put some ice on that’ and then he left.”

She was found on the bed by a friend, Norma Rogers. Some details - Clinton tore her skirt also, Clinton raped her twice in a 15 minute span, and Clinton almost severed her lip in half he bit it so hard. Three weeks after the rape Broaddrick went with her husband to a Clinton fundraiser. She says it was her husband’s (Hickey) idea and that since she was in denial and wanted her life back to normal, not to mention that she hadn’t told her 1st husband, she went but became physically sick after 15 minutes and left. Broaddrick was also appointed to a Nursing Home Administrator’s Board, but she says she had agreed to be on the board before she knew it was a governor-appointed position. She got an official letter of commendation concerning her nursing home from Clinton with a handwritten note - “I admire you very much.” Those intimate words are very hard to explain unless Broaddrick’s story is true.

Comment by Cao — 10/4/2006 @ 12:51 pm

Clinton settles a case with Paula Jones for $850,000. A lot of money from someone who claims he did nothing wrong.
Later, in the Paula Jones deposition, Clinton admits that he did have sex with Jennifer Flowers.

After the blue dress, after lying to the American people and his family, Clinton admits to an “inappropriate” relationship with Lewinsky, an affair he denied to his Cabinet, his advisers and his friends.

Kathleen Willey, on “60 Minutes,” described an unwanted sexual advance from Clinton. She claimed the president took his hand and placed it on her breast, and took her hand, placing it on his genitalia.

But no, he wasn’t a ‘rapist’. You should go back and find out how many women whose lips he bit bloody and how many women he forced himself on. This is a twisted man.

I can’t believe you don’t know about these reports, Gene, you should get your head out of the poker room once in a while and find out what’s going on in the world.

Gennifer Flowers. Paula Jones. Monica Lewinsky. Kathleen Willey. Dolly Kyle Browning, and Juanita Broaddrick.Just imagine how many there really are. Did they tell the truth, or are they all liars?

You’ve got Clinton with his signature wagging finger tellng the nation, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.” Never mind the Gennifer Flowers tape from when he was governor where he said, ” … if everybody’s on record denying it (the relationship), you got no problems.”

Larry Elder at Capitalist Magazine points out:

After “Dateline’s” Broaddrick interview, a poll shows 54% of Americans believe Broaddrick’s allegation. 23% think the charges untrue. Post-impeachment polls show 84% of Americans believe the president both committed perjury and obstructed justice. This means most Americans consider the president a felon and not just a run-of-the-mill felon but a rapist felon.

Comment by Cao — 10/4/2006 @ 1:02 pm

The explorations of the guilt or innocence of past Presidents, Democrat or not, are not inclusive to my goals here. To me it’s a definitive notion that politics and political affiliates are usually not without moral discredit. What should be of concern is the policies they dispense, and the directions in which they guide states and nations. However, if they are guilty of said crimes, then it goes without saying: their criminality should be punished.

However, the pervasive ’smear’ attempts throughout this thread, and the notions that republicans are holier than thou, unsettles me. Once again we return to the consecrated grounds of hypocrisy.

George Bush is not free of rapist allegations either. Albeit, allegations from an individual of questionable sanity. In 2002 Bush was the defendant in a case in which the plaintiff alleged that he had raped both her and her husband. The plaintiff, Margie Schoedinger, would later go on to kill herself.

In regards to Clinton, during the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit, Broaddrick had filed a sworn affidavit; Broaddrick had stated that no assault by Clinton had taken place.

As for polls alleging guilt: that’s what I like to call trial by the mob. Do I personally think Clinton guilty. Possibly. But it’s irrelevant. Until proven in court.

This thread is perhaps evidential that
conservatives continue with their smear campaigns, all the while crying innocence on behalf of their corrupt Republicans.

-From armchairsubversive.com

* Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

* Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

* Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

* Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

* Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

* Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

* Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Sheesh. There’s too many pedophilic crimes to mention. That list still goes on, and on, and on…

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/4/2006 @ 10:45 pm

The whole reason that they’re ‘outing’ gays now is to force them to vote in favor of the gay agenda.

a group of them admitted as such, and that Foley is on their list of 20 people they’re targetting to ‘out’ as ‘hypocrites’.

What more do you want? The guy resigned and he’s in rehab.

This is another example of lefties using ‘victims’ to prop their agenda. The unfortunate thing is–those instant messages are looking more and more as though they’re faked.

The technology from five years ago wasn’t as advanced as it is today, and it wasn’t a ‘default’ to ’save’ IM convos, in addition to some of the other technical problems with those instant messaging conversations.

At any rate, I have some problem with your long list there and its relevance to CREW and George Soros’ backing of CREW, and the fact that CREW also backs the PLAMES.

You remember that story, don’t you? And it’s turned out to be a bunch of hooey, but they’re still moving forward with the now nonexistent case against Scooter Libby, I haven’t heard those charges were dropped.

Something is wrong here…and many are investigating it. Rick Moran, Clarice Feldman, the Gateway Pundit, Passionate America, Hugh Hewitt–just a few.

Comment by Cao — 10/5/2006 @ 4:16 am

Thanks for that Cao, er Shirley Phelps: “The whole reason that they’re ‘outing’ gays now is to force them to vote in favor of the gay agenda.”

What gays are we talking about, I thought this was a discussion of pedophiles.

Cao, the inference I read into your statements is that you support pedophilic activity if its of the opposite sex variety. Great one lady. If that’s the case, then I definetly aspire to reach your level of moral altruism.

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/5/2006 @ 5:04 am

The case against the conservatives has surpased bursting point; the rest of the world now witness to the revolting pusy absccess of Republican scandal. This gaping wound of corruption, ethical violation and criminal felony now culminate into an American necrosis not diagnosed since the Watergate Scandal.

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So if we wish to discuss the Republican moral equivelant of venereal disease, (which I do), then we would begin by examining the following list compiled by
The Carpetbagger Report:

Cheney’s secretive Energy Tak Force was investigated by the GAO and the case is currently pending at the Supreme Court.

* The Plame Game is under investigation by the Justice Department.

* Bush’s Medicare Scam and the circumstances that led the administration to lie to Congress about the cost of the legislation is under investigation by the HHS inspector general’s office.

* The Massive Intelligence Failure that led Bush to lie to the world about the Iraqi threat is under investigation by a congressionally-authorized independent commission (which Bush fought the creation of).

* Bribes offered on the House floor to Rep. Nick Smith (R-Mich.) in exchange for his vote on Bush’s Medicare plan are under investigation by the House Ethics Committee and the Justice Department.

* Attorney General John Ashcroft was under investigation by the Federal Election Commission for violating campaign finance laws in 2000, and the FEC concluded that Ashcroft accepted $110,000 in illegal contributions.

* An investigation into House Majority Leader Tom DeLay’s criminal fundraising schemes in Texas
— which allegedly used corporate funds to help state GOP lawmakers — is already before a Texas grand jury.

* Republican staffers on the Senate Judiciary Committee were investigated for stealing thousands of confidential memos from Dem computers, a matter that has now been referred to the Justice Department for a possible criminal probe.

* Republican Connecticut Gov. John Rowland is under a criminal investigation(and an impeachment investigation) after he lied about prominent state contractors and several government aides paying for refurbishments to his lake-front cottage.

* Former Rep. Bill Janklow (R-S.D.) was under investigation for vehicular manslaughter, a crime for which he was later convicted.

* The Pentagon launched a formal investigation into well-armed evangelist and three-star General William “Jerry” Boykin, Bush’s pick for deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence, and his record of extreme religious rhetoric.

* The circumstances that led to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001are under investigation by a congressionally-authorized independent commission (which, again, Bush fought the creation of and then later resisted cooperating with).

* And honorable mentions should go, of course, to investigations into Halliburton (Dick Cheney’s former company) and Enron (George Bush’s biggest corporate supporter).

Of course this reality check will be willfully forgotten by the ’see no evil, hear no evil’ conservatives. “We’ll just sweep that under the rug.”

Republicans these days adore their criminals. Dick Cheney and George Bush have at least four convictions amongst them. Surprise, surprise. Republicans aren’t hypocritical, they are Holier than thou. Well, perhaps from the perspectives of a Satanist. But as for the rest of us…

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/5/2006 @ 9:53 am

How interesting. That ‘carpetbagger report’ link ends up nowhere.

Drudge is reporting something on this case that’s very interesting now…

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats. This source, an ally of Edmund, also adamantly reports that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund.

It turns out that there’s a good chance that -Filthy Foley online messages were a “prank” gone awry.

Worldnet Daily is the one that reported that two gay activists are ‘outing’ conservatives, and held this information on Foley until it was politically expedient..

But you guys never read the links behind the articles that we put up, you just attack it with your own spin.

I think it’s more like a sad commentary on the fact that society is now accepting horrible things that it didn’t just 20 years ago; conservatives stand today where liberals stood then, and there are all kinds of nuts out there shooting amish school children on sleepy quiet towns, and the kids themselves are bringing weapons to school to turn on their schoolmates.

The most glaring element that I can think of that is responsible is taking prayer out of the schools, removing the bible as a school book, and teaching evolution as though it were fact.

Violence has increased, we now have young girls and boys on the internet talking sex with old men–and worse. It’s horrible what’s happened, and what I think is funny is that now, as always, liberals are pointing the finger at conservatives to shut up, that they’re hypocrites, etc.

I wouldn’t say that’s the case. We’re all suffering from liberal social programs, the destruction of the family, abortion, and numerous ills that liberals have introduced into society, not the least of which is bringing gays onto television and into the school system, and as Boy scout leaders.

Suddenly because Foley is a perv and a conservative, they feign outrage. But aren’t they the ones that support NAMBLA in court?

Comment by Cao — 10/5/2006 @ 12:22 pm

[…] The Wideawakes site also notes that CREW is “one of four George Soros-funded ‘public interest groups’ which endeavors, like the others, to attack and discredit members of the GOP, and along with that agenda, to ensure in what appear to be extreme and underhanded methods, the ‘win’ for Democrats by default when a Republican takes his fall.” […]

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This scandal isn’t about the fact that Foley (or any other member of Congress) is gay. Had Foley held a press conference and announced he was a homosexual, it would’ve been news for a day and that would’ve been that. It might’ve been a scandal to the far-right, homophobic members of the Republican party, but for the vast majority of Americans, it wouldn’t have been a big deal.

It might’ve been a slightly bigger deal had Foley been having a homosexual affair, because then you have sex involved and, as we know, sex sells. But a low-profile House member having an affair? Yawn.

The reason this is such a scandal is because a member of the House was engaged in totally inappropriate and sexually-charged conduct with 16-year-old boys. CHILDREN. That’s very bad. What’s also very bad is that the House leadership knew about it, knew Foley was engaging in some really abhorrent behavior–behavior they had to know might be illegal under a law they were so proud to pass–and did nothing about it. They let this guy continue to pursue underage boys and turned a blind eye to it. That’s also very bad. People don’t like seeing adults allowing children to be exploited and put at risk. They also don’t like to see those adults desperately trying to pass the buck. It doesn’t sit well with those who have kids.

This isn’t a gay issue. This isn’t about some gay cabal blackmailing homosexual members of the House. Hey, it’s the way-way-right who thinks that homosexuals are evil and sick and should stay in the closet. If there are closeted gay men in the House, Senate, wherever, they should be free to be true to themselves and not live in fear. Why would Republican congresspeople fear having their sexual preference revealed? Could it be the way-way-way right bigots who would anathematize them?

But that isn’t what the Foley scandal is about. The fact that he’s gay is irrelevent. He was engaged in conduct with underage kids and the House leadership covered it up. And trying to spin it any other way ain’t going to play well with the electorate.

Comment by Mean Gene — 10/5/2006 @ 1:42 pm

* Democrats support Nambla? Say what?!
* Bringing weapons to school; weren’t you (Cao) arguing about not-restricting the availability of firearms? Or maybe you took my Derringer comment a little too seriously. Or maybe you’re learning: guns and civillians equal homicide.

————
We can all see now, our eyes have been opened to the facts we knew all along: Conservatives are indeed swimming in hypocrisy. It’s those who make the most noise (conservatives) that have the most to hide, as the Foley situation is most indicative of. Foley may be prosecuted by the very laws that he brought into effect. Ah, smell that? It’s that thick nauseating stench of basal hypocrisy! Liberals are well aware that Democrats are not without their moral shortcomings, on admission of their humanity. Republicans on the other hand, clamour that they are messengers of God, that they are not of his earth and that, in basis, are in fact, holier than thou.

Sorry, let’s come down to planet Earth. Oh yeah, the Republican pedophiles did that for you! Republicans are clearly not as God sent as they claim to be. How can we trust such charlatans? Short answer? We can’t. Not as long as they turn a blind eye and sweep their dastardly little deeds under the Oval Office rug.

And as for Cao’s DESPICABLE, bigotted, opinions on homosexuals. She has confirmed that she is the modern equivolent of the racist.
Honestly, Cao whenever you talk about homosexuals and homosexuality, I think of
Shirley Phelps. I envision it’s you with that creepy smile, grinning back demonically. She believes she is the voice of God (a condition widely accepted as Pschizophrenia). Do you?

Pedophiles can be HOM-A-THUXUAL, but homosexuals are NOT pedophiles. There is a distiction. The same applies to heterosexual pedophiles. Not all straight men want to date fifteen year old debutants. Cao, you “continue to repeat the same lies, even after (you’ve) been exposed as (a liar).” You know the difference between a pedophile and a liar- oops, typo. I believe Y2Krashman sorted you out on this one.

Cao, can I ask a question? Well I’m going to anyhow, whether I get an answer or not is a question unto itself. Do you Cao, believe homosexuals CHOOSE their orientations? Just asking.

There’ll always be HOM-A-THUXUALS, whether government condoned or otherwise.
Foley (and the Catholic church) just proves that repression equals perverted expression.

With all this abortion, murder, war and homosexuality, we should perhaps train up our children, and send them to Jesus Camps- where they can grow up to be- Conservatives!

(Here’s my broken link, corrected. Carpetbagger Report)

A yibbida yibbida, ‘Til next time folks-
VOTE REPUBLICAN!!! VOTE PEDOPHILE!!!

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/5/2006 @ 2:30 pm

Apologies for my hyperlinks in article 24- here they are, again, hopefully functional:

1. Derringer

2.Shirley Phelps.

3. Jesus Camps

4. Carpetbagger Report)

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/5/2006 @ 4:46 pm

One of the democrat’s most objectionable strategies, in my mind, is in its efforts to draw the mantle of civil liberties over behavior once deemed criminal, pathological, or immoral. The ACLU supports NAMBLA and has rushed to their defense, democrats rush to the defense of pedophile ‘victims’ only to object to pedophiles being incarcerated for their crimes. In fact, several people in recent memory who have murdered children were ‘out’ on previous convictions.

Leftists, and many of them are leftists masquerading as democrats (ala Bernie Saunders, a socialist)-don’t recognize that these people can’t be rehabilitated.

Actually, a contingent of NAMBLA has marched in the “Gay Pride” parade in San Francisco. NAMBLA has ‘adopted a highway’ here in Illinois, it doesn’t appear to me as though their democrat supporters have a problem with that, otherwise we wouldn’t be seeing this.

One needn’t look far for democrats’ support of convicted child molesters, look at the case of Leon Rouse. This guy served 8 years in the Phillippines for underage sex charges. Rouse was was hired last session as an employee of a Democrat-controlled Hawaii state Legislative Committee. 2008 Democratic presidential hopeful Russ Feingold also came to his defense, along with a Clinton-era U.S. embassy and more than half-a-dozen Democrats.

Comment by Cao — 10/5/2006 @ 4:47 pm

George Soros needs to be deported,(if there was only a way), he’s a Socialist, and uses his money to try to change and form America to his vision.

I’m not for harming children, or anyone..but and totally fed up with all this mud slinging, and a do nothing Congress!

Comment by Fed up — 10/5/2006 @ 6:22 pm

Thank God for Soros. If he helps to drive a stake through the heart of the Vampyre brigade that is the modern Republican party, Americans will owe him an eternal debt of gratitude. The Republicans are no different than the Mafia, and everybody that supports them, enables a criminal conspiracy against every American. Every one who votes for them kisses their ring. If you support the Republicans, you are an ignorant tool of the ruling class that will grind you under their heel with the rest of us. Wake UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by c4logic — 10/5/2006 @ 7:22 pm

Cao sayeth, “I’d like to see you come up with a single republican who has done that kind of crime and hasn’t faced any consequences for it.”

Gee, that’s a tough one. Try Laura Bush. At least make it a challenge.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

Comment by Terry Boone — 10/6/2006 @ 5:58 am

“Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded Foley to type embarrassing comments”

First, he flatly denies this. Second, there are at least 2 other sets of IM’s from other people. Third, for the sake of argument, let’s assume Edmund was leading him on. So what?

How exactly do you think cops bust johns? Does it make them less guilty that they use a decoy hooker? Now, I’m not conceding that the kid led Foley on. But I am saying it doesn’t matter a damn bit if he did.

Half the cops in the country are online pretending to be 13 year old girls trying to bust pervs. When they get busted, they get hard time. How exactly is this different. This guy invited a kid to stay in his house for a blow job.

I question your sentience.

Comment by Terry Boone — 10/6/2006 @ 6:10 am

To Arms Or To Prison

Angry Americans are waking up again to another manufactured scandal that is designed to deny us our free speech and deceive voters into electing secular socialists to office. The Foley scandal is about one man, but the Soros-MoveOn crowd want Americans to vote against Republicans because of what this one man did. The Soros Goons, storm troopers for socialism and secularism and the most unthinkable moral depravity, want us to believe all Republicans are evil and then ignore the moral degeneracy and secular socialism of the Democrats.

These goons lie about us, deny the rights of their opponents through unethical behavior and slander, and deny voters the right to make informed decisions by lying about what the real Democratic agenda is.

Today you win with noise and to make noise, via radio, TV, Print, and the Internet, you need lots and lots of cold hard cash.

Soros may be a billionaire but if only 20 million angry Americans, and surely there are 20 million angry Americans, would pony up $30 per month we would throw over $7.2 billion PER year into this fight and literally overwhelm the enemy with our “noise”.

There are many organizations we can fund. We could literally fund our very own news service with Internet, TV, radio, and print news! We could reach every single US Household at least 7 different times every single month! When the media goes on a feeding frenzy after US we can turn the tables and start to dig into THEIR closets showing their connection to these thugs. We can fund lawsuits against the media for violating campaign finance law because they behave as an adjunct of the Democrat party. We can fund lawsuits alleging discrimination against conservatives in the entertainment industry, in academia, and in the media.

We need to create a massive fund, supported by people like you and me who give $30 per month and every single conservative organization can urge people to support that fund. This fund can be governed by our leaders and affiliate groups, a sort of United Way for conservative causes. People could even choose which groups they want to fund or which activities sort of like people do now with the United Way.

All conservative radio hosts could do campaigns or telethons urging people to contribute to this fund.

The fund could then create a news service without equal which could involve News Max, WorldNetDaily, CNS News, Agape News, other similar news services, and local conservative-owned newspapers or radio stations. Imagine an editorial board that consists of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mike Reagan, Mike Gallagher, Glenn Beck, and other great conservative voices!

How could such a fund be created? Simply create a 527 organization that is owned by “member groups”, the groups who will be eligible for funding from this 527.

Here’s my problem: NOBODY IS LISTENING. If you like this idea, spread it, ask people who know people to send it to them with their strong recommendation. If you like this idea, send me an email (Upadaria@yahoo.com) and tell me you would be willing to give $30 per month once such a group is created. If we have, for instance, 10,000 people saying they would be willing to pledge $30 per month then maybe our leaders will see how serious we are.

We have two choices my friends; to arms or to prison. I don’t like closed spaces, so I say TO ARNS AMERICANS! Let’s take our media, our entertainment industry, and our schools back from these leftist goons!

I beg of you, angry Americans, pls forward this message far and wide. If you want to be a point of contact for people who would commit to contribute to a Conservative version of The United Way then, I BEG you, pls put in your email and stay in touch with me so we can tabulate the number of people who are committed (and then we can contact then).

If you think you can organize such an effort, let me know. This is not about me or you, it is about standing up against the enemy. We MUST do something concrete and we must do it right now.

If these goons take the House, they will be more emboldened to keep this nonsense up until everyone is afraid to question them in any way. Do you want to see a day when the same storm trooper tactics they use in Hollywood or our schools to silence us are commonplace? Do you want to see the day come when blog writers who don’t tow their party line are harassed, slandered, and “investigated” every time they expose the lies of our enemy?

We have the means to win in our hands, we can funnel far more resources into our causes then they can. Remember, Soros got his money from people like us through his sleazy exploitation and tax dodges. Let’s stat sending our money to our causes on a systematic basis.

Forward this email far and wide, and then write personally to people you know and ask them to do the same.

If we can’t get at least 10,000 signatures of people who say “I will give $30 per month” then our side doesn’t deserve to win.

HELP ME TO GET THIS OUT and don’t be shy!

We can win if we want to!

BTW I am committed to giving $30 per month to such an organization as soon as we have 1,000 signatures. Are you?

Bill Collier
www.communities4christ.com

Comment by Bill Collier — 10/6/2006 @ 8:29 am

[…] The Wideawakes site noted that CREW is “one of four George Soros-funded ‘public interest groups’ which endeavors, like the others, to attack and discredit members of the GOP, and along with that agenda, to ensure in what appear to be extreme and underhanded methods, the ‘win’ for Democrats by default when a Republican takes his fall.” […]

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This is way beyond political parties.
(Dems vs Reps…conservative vs liberal). This is about the moral integrity of the Human Life & the underpinnings of Deeds, & weither or not there is any! O yeah,that’s right…I just ‘took sides!’,…& that’s! the problem. L.Adrean

Comment by Lance Adrean — 10/6/2006 @ 9:45 am

The Torture Never Stops, Foley Department

The Mark Foley scandal is emblematic of everything that reeks about modern US politics. This story has it all: scummy politicians abusing positions of power, cover-ups, overheated accusations, political grandstanding by outrageous hypocrites, and wall to wall salacious coverage from the drooling mainstream media. Judging by this post, Allahpundit is as sick of it as I am.

On behalf of myself and the Hot Air readership, I open this thread by calling upon Speaker Hastert to resign immediately and spare us from having to devote yet another day of coverage to this clammy, tedious crap.

Alas, it’s not going to be that easy.
08:53 AM PDT | link: 55 comments | link only
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Comment by L.Adrean — 10/6/2006 @ 10:38 am

Terry, you missed this part in the snopes piece on Laura Bush.

So 17-year-old Laura Welch did cause the death of a friend by running a stop sign, but to see more in the story than that is to surrender oneself up to baseless imaginings. Yes, it is always easier to attribute malice to bad outcomes, but that does not mean malice is an integral component of tragedy, especially those involving people Fate later chooses to exalt.

Not that you would understand what that paragraph means, lol.

Laura Welch ran a stopsign and there was a terrible accident. I think this is far different from Teddy Kennedy’s Chappaquiddick incident.

See Police diver John Farrar’s testimony suggesting that Mary Jo Kopechne survived for as long as two hours in the submerged automobile by breathing a pocket of trapped air.

Learn how Senator Kennedy spent the nine hours after the accident attempting to cover-up his involvement, while Mary Jo Kopechne was left to die in his submerged automobile.

Learn why George Killen , the State Police Detective-Lieutenant who investigated the accident, said that Senator Kennedy “killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.”

Learn the disturbing truth about the accident at
Chappaquiddick

Laura Bush’s incident is hardly comparable, although I find it disgusting that you would try to draw the parallel.

Comment by Cao — 10/6/2006 @ 11:26 am

———–
‘A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in “fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity”.’ (Who doesn’t agree with that?)

As if that was not enough to get Republican blood boiling, the report’s four authors linked Hitler, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan and the rightwing talkshow host, Rush Limbaugh, arguing they all suffered from the same affliction.

All of them “preached a return to an idealised past and condoned inequality”.’
- The Guardian

Really. They didn’t need a government study to come to that conclusion. Liberals have been saying that all along.

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I find certain parallels between the recent Republican coverup and the 1998 impeachment intriguing. I mean, pedophilic activity in the Republican ranks propagates a dirty-little coverup, whilst Clinton’s consensual affair with an ADULT woman demands impeachment. The scandals just keep growing, the coverups are becoming innumerable, and the Republicans prefer political security to the protection of minors and the enforcement of the law.

In regards to their policies, Republicans do a lot of chin wagging. They claim to be the voice of the righteous, the vocal gatekeepers to the path of the morally just. That’s all good and dandy, but to the rest of us, on planet Earth, THE REPUBLICANS ACTIONS SPEAK A HELLUVA LOT LOUDER THAN WORDS! (Maybe I should have used a few more EXCLAMATION MARKS!!) There you go; HERE’S A COUPLE MORE!!

With maniacs
,HYPOCRITICAL perverts
and criminals
all standing up in the name of conservatism, it’s suddenly become clear. The Republican’s Days of two-faced hypocrisy are numbered.

America is frightened by the TRUE face of conservatism.

Now, it’s 3 o’clock. We should all go pray to our cardboard cutouts of the prophet George Bush.

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/6/2006 @ 11:29 am

So…

Dems don’t believe anything Republicans say and Republicans don’t believe anything Dems say. We no longer have dailogue or conversation…just accusations. this is why people hate politics: It’s no longer about substance, but about personal smears.

Nobody is defending Foley, so why can’t we move on to substantive issues for today.

Like…do you really believe your value increases when you devalue your opponent? Stick to the facts…not the allegations…and avoid ad hominem attacks. If your facts are superior…you win.

By the way…I have not seen one source quoted in support of all the “facts” alleged on this string.

Or are you all just lazy?

Comment by skypilot — 10/6/2006 @ 11:39 am

You guy sound like a couple of homeless guys arguing about whose clothes are dirtier. And the point is? No respectable person would swap clothes with any of you.

Comment by skypilot — 10/6/2006 @ 11:46 am

Only a homeless guy would think about ’swapping clothes’. Where does this happen–in a public bathroom with George Michael?

As I’ve said, or at least I think I’ve said since I have this post up at my place and I’m getting inundated over there, too, -I’m not defending this guy Foley’s behavior. I’m not defending the behavior, I’ve just said that something is fishy about this. So why the outrage if I’m just pointing something out that is completely ignored by the MSM again? Why is it that people think we should be accepting what journalists say without question like a bunch of stepford wives?
And I know the MSM hasn’t picked it up, but this Edmunds guy was OF AGE when his little instant messaging thing went on with the Foley. And his friends said it was a prank (you can say that further down at the Drudge link). Now if you have a problem with what Drudge is saying, go and complain to Drudge, I’m just pointing out that there’s another take on this. If you refuse to accept that, I don’t care.
Watchdog Group Disputes FBI’s Claims on E-Mails

That Free Republic link, by the way, is to an article at the Washington Post.

Foley is a scumbag, there is no question. I do not promote sexual predators, and I don’t promote murderers or any other type of criminal behavior.

The fact that we have learned to EXPECT AND EXCUSE THIS BEHAVIOR out of elected officials is a complete shock, and a disappointment to me.

And the people who are clamoring for Hastert to resign before looking at what he knew when are totally stupid to me. Hastert only knew what everyone else did who refused to report it; the first string of emails. That didn’t include the vicious instant messaging conversations which have suddenly popped up and are dubious and strange in their content, appearance, and…think about five years ago and tell me that you or anyone you knew at that time were saving those convos.

“In subsequent days, unidentified Justice and FBI officials told reporters that the e-mails provided by CREW were heavily redacted and that the group refused to provide unedited versions to the FBI. One law enforcement official — speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation — also told The Washington Post the FBI believed that CREW may have received the e-mails as early as April and that the group refused to tell the FBI how they were obtained.”

CLAIM: Dirty IM’s Were “Prank Gone Awry” By Page Looking to Screw With, Not Screw, Foley– Ace

Drudge Report:

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats. This source, an ally of Edmund, also adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund.

And please don’t complain to me about links nonexisting in this thread. Either you’re blind or stupid or a combination which would make you severely impaired; impaired enough not to be playing with the big dogs over here if you’re incapable of clicking on them. If you’re UNWILLING to click on them and read the content there, don’t bother to comment.

Comment by Cao — 10/6/2006 @ 11:59 am

Comment by Cao — 10/6/2006 @ 12:31 pm

Here is the tip page for all you pages!! Name address and phone # Not required!

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=1927431

Comments from Freepers here–hilarious.

Paging all Pages, Paging all Pages, Democrats and the MSM would like you to stand up and be molested by Mr. Foley… Whether or not it is true makes no difference… Fake but accurate you know our standard.

I know the location of Big Foot..

By the way, did ABC ever post a link after the Juanita Broaderick allegations asking for other women who had been raped by Bill Clinton? Or was there ever a link for other White House volunteers who had been groped by Bill Clinton after Kathleen Willey. Oh wait, that’s right. The leftists in the media got moist and erect over that. It was sexy when Clinton was actually being a sexual predator as opposed to just making dirty talk.

Hello I am an infant male in my mothers womb and feel that my story must be told. Mark Foley molested me. I know I must be the youngest person that he molested so he is really, really, really a freak pedophile. I also want to let you know that I approve of fake but accurate reporting. Now I only hope that my Mother is not a Liberal or else the odds are when she finds out I sent this she will Kill me. I wonder if you will tell that story someday… bye for now.

I have a news tip. The man who is alleged to have been a kid participated in the IMs with Foley it turns out now was an adult at the time, 18, and also was a willing participant, according to those who know him, who was soliciting these remarks as a prank which subsequently then fell into the hands of Democratic operatives. Oh, but you don’t want to report anything that might point to your eggregiously biased news organization as being in bed with a Democratic smear campaign that sat on these IMs for years, even as you and your Democratic allies demand Hastert resign for what you yourselves all did. You people are diabolical, truly. I think ABC News and the rest of the news media making itself a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic party is the biggest scandal in America today. The propaganda you people write and report on a daily basis is 100 times more pornographic than anything Foley wrote.

Comment by Cao — 10/6/2006 @ 1:39 pm

Forgive me if you have already covered this, but with my poor reading and comprehension skills I should avoid scanning.

However, perhaps Mean Gene could define pedophilia for us.

And when he’s done with that, he can define Ephebophilia.

Either way, it’s tough to see how Foley committed either if the subjects in the emails were over the legal age of consent.

Regardless, Foley is gone. The GOP cleans their side of the House. The Dems leave the garbage to rot in the living room.

And I doubt GeneMean has any problem with the obvious, organized, coordinated effort to obtain and publicize and perhaps even incite or fabricate the evidence used against Mr. Foley.

Crew, the same folks linked to the Wilson/Plame CIA Leak FRAUD should be a real signal about what’s really happening here.

And I learned just today that the page who apparently set up Foley as a “prank” (”pranking” is a page tradition, even though most don’t go this far) also had contact with a woman writing a book on the pages whose son was appointed by NANCY PELOSI and who is actively involved in the full moonbat package.

Comment by Mike's America — 10/6/2006 @ 9:31 pm

It’s true, Mr. Foley cannot be accused of pedophilia, at least when you consider the information we have so far. The age of consent in DC is 16, and in any case Mr. Foley (so far) has not been accused of actually having sex with any of the pages he was in contact with. He wasn’t pursuing children, as defined by the word pedophilia or by the law.

Of course, that point is muddied considering the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act, which makes the emails and IMs Mr. Foley sent to these under-18 kids a possible felony. But I’m sure you could care less about whether Mr. Foley broke the law or harmed these kids. I mean, so what, what’s the law, anyway? What’s the well-being of a bunch of kids? To you, that isn’t the issue. The issue is whether this scandal helps the Democratic party, and if it does, it has to be hushed up. Turned on those nasty Democrats. I mean, how DARE they turn the corruption of malfeasance of the Republican leadership to their advantage. For cryin’ out loud, we’re just talking about the sexual exploitation of a couple of kids! Spilt milk!

“And I doubt GeneMean has any problem with the obvious, organized, coordinated effort to obtain and publicize and perhaps even incite or fabricate the evidence used against Mr. Foley.”

No, because there isn’t any evidence that there was an obvious, organized, coordinated effort to obtain and publicize and perhaps even incite or fabricate the evidence used against Mr. Foley. People outside the Republican leadership found out about the emails and IMs and immediately reported them to the FBI. And then these pages stepped forward to confirm their veracity. I still fail to see why you (and Cao) think that the real crime here isn’t the behavior of Mr. Foley and those who sought to cover up his behavior, but the fact that his behavior was exposed? Let’s not forget that he’s been doing this for YEARS, maybe even so long as TEN YEARS. This information should’ve been released long ago, but it was covered up by the Republican leadership. Had they done their jobs and actually shown more concern for the teenagers Mr. Foley was slavering over than their own hides, this might’ve broken a year ago. Or two years ago. Or much, much earlier than that.

But, as I’ve said (and you and Cao have made quite clear), you think that it’s OK for Republicans to make overt and unwanted sexual advances toward 16-year-olds in their care, and it’s OK for the Republican leadership to cover up that scummy behavior. What isn’t OK is anyone (the victims, their parents, the FBI) bringing up this loathesome behavior and holding those responsible accountable. I applaud your ability to sleep at night, and to look at yourself in the mirror.

Comment by Mean Gene — 10/7/2006 @ 12:46 am

“Regardless, Foley is gone. The GOP cleans their side of the House. The Dems leave the garbage to rot in the living room.”

Mike, the reason liberals are having a field day with this scandal are twofold.

Primarily because of the Republican coverup, which is as you say: the Republicans did indeed leave “the garbage to rot in the living room.”

The scandal is exploited secondarily because the Republicans base their campaings on an image of so-called squeeky clean morality. Like Priests who fornicate and abuse children. (Candidates of such hypocrisy honestly make my skin crawl.)

* Republicans stand firm against pedophilia (though their history is strewn with pedophiles)

* Republicans stand firm against homosexuals and gay rights (though their ranks are strewn with homosexuals - and closeted homosexual scandals)

* Republicans stand firm against adultery
(though their ranks are strewn with adulterers).

I could go on, but it would be overzealous to do so. What fascinates me, in regards to the above, is that those involved in such scandals usually protest the loudest. The adulterers protest adultery, the homosexuals cry out in disgust against homosexual activity and homosexual rights, the pedophiles are lawgivers on the subject.

Republicans Cry out loudest, whilst hiding behind their bibles and making the most noise, against the very issues for which they are equally accountable. Hmmm.

And that is why, boys and girls, the media, and the rest of America, are having a field day with this.

It’s called: the Backlash Against Moral Republican Hypocrisy.

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/7/2006 @ 1:16 am

What surprises me is how the moral decay of America, which the ACLU and liberals are at fault for; ‘forgiving’ child molesters, murderers, and holding candle light vigils for death row inmates. It’s fitting that people with no moral compass or belief in God would then condemn people with principles who hold to old-fashioned values accountable for the irresponsible immoral actions of the poorly chosen candidates that have been served up to represent us.

I’ve said it so many times; none of the candidates that I’ve seen in recent years have ever been my idea of the ‘perfect candidate’, you accept that which you are dealt. Any way you look at it, a republican is usually the better over a leftist socialist or communist masquerading as a democrat. I hardly see how that is hypocritical; you take the lesser of the two evils.

Instead of being the party for fiscal responsibility, we’ve become the party that grows government bigger slower. But the goals seem to be the same, the direction the country is headed in is still the same, we’re not going there as fast under a Republican, but we’re still headed for disaster. If I had my druthers we’d have another Reagan in office cleaning things up, and making smart decisions. Instead we have a ‘moderate’ who in actuality doesn’t represent his base, doesn’t support protecting our borders, hedges on the immigration issue, and is moving ahead with CAFTA in spite of objections from his contituents with his eyes on FTAA, which will be disastrous for the economy and move us still further down the road to socialism.

I don’t know why leftists are caterwauling so loud, they’re getting exactly what they want from the Republicans who are in office. They hedge on issues; they’re afraid, they don’t take a stand, etc. That’s not what I want from my elected representatives.

Comment by Cao — 10/7/2006 @ 7:03 am

I linked to this site from another site and started reading these comments and can’t figure out what the hell is going on. The only conclusion I’ve come to is that Goshdarnit has WAY too much time on his hands. WOW! His obsession with Republicans is bordering on psychosis. Goshdarnit, are you one of those shut-ins that live vicariously through their computer? Do you have any face-to-face human relations? This all might explain your obsession with someone else’s cybersex. There are plenty of sites out there for you Goshdarnit. You can engage in your own computer sex whenever you want. Apparently you get your hard-ons by going ON AND ON about the evil Republican hypocrites. Your computer must be covered with your own juice. To liberals, being a hypocrite is the worse thing in the friggin world when to any rational human being there are many MANY worse things to be. I am not at all impressed with Goshdarnits lame arguments. Just because he can go on and on without saying anything of substance or value, is not a talent. The fact that he chooses to go on and on and seems to get some sort of sexual pleasure out of it, is a sure sign of mental illness.

As far as Republican “family values” goes, I am a Republican and I proudly have little values, family or otherwise. There are many republicans and conservatives like me that want small government, low taxes, less laws and the government staying out of our business and personal lives.

I hate lazy people, the do-nothings, the welfare moochers, the excuse-makers that blame everyone else for their pathetic lives and poor choices. I cannot ABIDE the poor that insist on having children that they cannot afford to raise, emotionally or financially. The poor insist on having the most children. If the poor were not allowed to procreate then our entire “poor” population would eventually die off b/c the poor breed the poor and it is very rare that poor parents have the ability or desire to raise an achieving child. That may sound harsh but unfortunately any honest person would admit that it is also true. Poor people are poor because their parents were poor and made bad choices, having children being the worst of them. Children cost alot of money and poor people just assume that, through welfare, other taxpayers will pay for their children. It’s a neverending retarded cycle. I feel no sympathy or desire to pay for other people’s mistakes or problems. It is not a function of the government to make the achievers pay for the slackers.

Being a liberal and/or having any socialist tendencies is anti-American. This is a country that was started to get freedom from the government, not dependence on the government. If people have some dire unforseen circumstances, that is what charities are for. This country is swamped with charities. The US government is not a charity. The democrats should stop treating it as though it is and as though tax dollars are there for them to redirect to non-taxpayers to buy votes.

Also, if you are over the age of 22, are not retarded, and are not a seasoned citizen but are still making minimum wage, you have failed miserably. If you are only capable of making minimum wage then don’t have children, you cannot afford them and you and your children should not be a drain on the rest of the country. I could go on and on about my disrespect for most of the poor, not the children obviously but those children will usually fuck up, get pregnant, drop out of school and end up poor adults b/c they were raised by idiots, usually a single idiot. Instead of feeling sorry for them and exalting them, we should tell them to stop the cycle and STOP HAVING KIDS! That is the only way to stop poverty. Have 1 or 2 kids, not 6 or 8 of them.

Obviously this is my personal activism but honestly I don’t care if some teens engaged in cybersex with Foley or not. There are so many more important issues, domestically and internationally, that affect all of our lives. What Foley did has no affect on any of us whatsoever. These teens willingly participated and never reported Foley b/c they wanted a contact in DC. They bear some responsibility. They are 16, 17, and 18 year-olds that know better and did not report Foley for years. I have very little sympathy for anyone involved in this stupidity. The FBI will figure it all out and in the end, most politicians are susceptible to corruption. That is why we need term limits.

Comment by Christine — 10/7/2006 @ 11:16 am

Christine if you had even the most rudamentary knowledge of mental conditions, you would discern that obsesive compulsive disorder and psychosis are two (completely) different things.

Cybersex? Hardons? My “computer covered with my own juice?” An unsavory and lewd attempt at personal insult. I obviously irritate you. A LOT. And because you can’t attack my arguments directly, you attempt personal insult.

Speaking of lengthy, your rant about breeding, welfare and semen was awe inspiring. (You know, the rebuttle that didn’t go anywhere.) Pulitzer material.

If I annoy you, I’m more than glad to oblige. Also, please don’t use personal reflections of yourself when you try to analyze others. It just reveals your own insecurities and sexual frustrations. Seriously. (People often compare others to themselves.)

(Also, you seem to have a vested interest in this site… interesting.)

Again, nice try.

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/7/2006 @ 1:31 pm

Goshdarnit-psychosis describes someone detached from reality which describes you perfectly. I’m well aware of what OCD is and it is not serious enough a condition to decribe yours. It doesn’t surprise me that you would consider yourself an expert when it comes to mental illness. Surprise, surprise. I have a vested interest in this site? Excuse me? What is that even supposed to mean? Man, you are so clever. You don’t annoy me, you in fact remind me of my younger brother who is 18 and thinks he knows EVERYTHING. He thinks he is so much smarther than everyone else when in reality, he sounds like an idiot 80% of the time. You made so many arguments that it is not even worth trying to get into your warped mind to even untangle it. Seriously, how much time do you spend on the computer? You have like 900 rants on here. Your arguments are the same tired, lame arguments that have been rehashed over and over again. There is not an original thought among them. My rant about breeding and welfare is true and semen was not mentioned. The semen is in reference to your life revolving around your computer. I would never compare my sex life to that of a creepy old perv that is obsessed with Mark Foley’s cybersex. I am vulgar and lewd and so unladylike. Ouch. Thank you. You can respond all you want. I’m getting off the computer now. You, on the otherhand, are getting off on your computer. Ta-ta

Comment by Christine — 10/7/2006 @ 2:47 pm

You know, I forgot to ask Mean Gene whether he supports the North American Man Boy Love Associations desire to legalize pedophilia.

After all, his leader Nancy Pelosi marched in the SF Gay Pride Parade with the founder of NAMBLA.

As imperfect as Republicans are, I’m happy to go to the voters and ask who cares more about protecting children.

Let’s get the video of Nancy at the Parade… that should be a hoot. Topless overweight dykes on Harleys, Nancy Pelosi and Pedophiles all in one big happy family.

Comment by Mike's America — 10/7/2006 @ 11:41 pm

Christine, I CAN’T resist but to reply to your lacklustre attempts at insult.

* “Goshdarnit-psychosis describes someone detached from reality which describes you perfectly.”

Can you state, HOW exactly I, Goshdarnit am detached from reality? I’m thinking that, no, you can’t.

* “It doesn’t surprise me that you would consider yourself an expert when it comes to mental illness.”

Weren’t you the one who refered to me as psychotic in the first place?

* “Man, you are so clever.”

I know.

* “You don’t annoy me”-

No I don’t. I INFURIATE you. (Nice emotionally heated post, by the way.)

* (Crhistine’s brother sounds like an idiot 80% of the time.)

As your post suggests, idiocy is clearly an inherrited condition.

(And Christine: you, thus far, have sounded like “an idiot (100%) of the time.”)

* “My rant about breeding and welfare is true-”

So we should adopt a communistic approach to society and require reproduction licenses? We should adopt Chinese policy?

* I would never compare my sex life to that of a creepy old perv that is obsessed with Mark Foley’s cybersex.

Old? Who’s old? I’m 25. And to me, your inflections make YOU seem 15.

* The semen is in reference to your life revolving around your computer-

And yes, part of my life does revolve around my computer. I’m a writer (of sorts), it’s what I do.

* “I would never compare my sex life…”
What sex life? Christine, the masculine voice inferred by your prose would suggest, that you, don’t have one. Unless you’re a dyke, transexual, or really are in fact male.

:-)

Bam! Bitch goes dowwwwwwwn.

Actually, on second thought. No thanks.

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/8/2006 @ 4:33 am

Gosdarnit, I think you overestimate other peoples’ opinions of you. You aren’t all that important in anyone’s world except yours. When you feign superiority over other people like this, it reminds me of the pigs of Animal Farm. You want us to abide by rules you don’t follow yourself. It’s amusing to watch you stumbling all over yourself trying to keep that upper hand, though.

Christine has you nailed; it would appear as though YOU’RE the one outraged, none of us spend the kind of time you do stroking yourself in front of your computer screen.

Comment by Cao — 10/8/2006 @ 6:22 am

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“We know that Condi Rice and Laura Bush have no problem with gay marriage. In fact, most of the elite republicans on the Hill have no problem with gay marriage. But they use homophobia to win votes at the base. And that is the underlying, tectonic problem going on here: Hypocrisy.We know that Condi Rice and Laura Bush have no problem with gay marriage. In fact, most of the elite republicans on the Hill have no problem with gay marriage. But they use homophobia to win votes at the base. And that is the underlying, tectonic problem going on here: Hypocrisy.”

Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/18/2006 @ 7:03 pm

You’re right on, Christine.

And in case someone else reads this huge stream of comments, the different between the Republicans and the Democrats re: abberant/illegal behavior is that the Republicans know and admit that all people are not perfect. They know and admit that they, themselves are not perfect and do bad things. And when they get caught, they take responsibility for their actions (in general).

Democrats, however, believe that they are perfect and therefore anything they do must be perfectly okay. And they never, ever take responsibility for their actions (after all, they’re perfect).

Comment by Ogre — 10/19/2006 @ 11:57 am

I’d only add Ogre that Libs claim that nobody has a right to say what is right or wrong, THEREFORE, people who do make such claims are always hypocrites if they ever do anything wrong, while relativist Libs can NEVER do anything wrong by definition… It’s a winning logic, for losers.

Comment by Dumb Ox — 10/25/2006 @ 12:54 pm

Gosdarnit, I think you overestimate other peoples’ opinions of you. You aren’t all that important in anyone’s world except yours. When you feign superiority over other people like this, it reminds me of the pigs of Animal Farm. You want us to abide by rules you don’t follow yourself. It’s amusing to watch you stumbling all over yourself trying to keep that upper hand, though.
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