Last summer seventh-grader Jumanah Saadeh jumped into a public swimming pool in Ypsilanti, Michigan wearing pants, a full-sleeve shirt, and a headscarf. For obvious health and safety reasons, she was told to get out. Encouraged by Muslim leaders, her teacher, and a civil rights attorney, she took advantage of this opportunity to advance our dhimmification.
Sniveled Saadeh:
I felt humiliated and disappointed because I was denied an opportunity to have fun with my friends just because I’m Muslim.
When pushed by Muslims, the liberal dhimmis running Washtenaw County predictably moved. Now Muslims get to swim in public pools with their clothes on.
It looks like Jean Raspail may be even more prophetic than we knew. In his highly recommended novel The Camp of the Saints, the overrunning of the West by Third-World hordes begins with Muslims using political correctness to take over public swimming pools.
Cross-posted at Moonbattery.
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How does this have anything to do with “dhimmification”? It’s just a little girl swimming in the pool. She’s not even forcing everyone else to swim fully clothed. In other words, this is an example of American freedom being exercised. It’s people like YOU who threaten our civil liberties, Van Helsing, with your stupidity and bigotry. Are you smart enough to realize that?
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” - Sinclair Lewis
Comment by Van Helsing's Mother — 9/4/2006 @ 5:15 pm
For the person who posted the previous comment. A 1000-mile journey begins with the first step. How is it that religious beliefs are allowed to change public policy?? If her jumping in the pool fully clothed had just been a personal preference should an exception have been made because of her preferences? Islam does not compromise often, and this yielding of public policy corresponds to a step in the dhimmification (subservience to muslims) of american society. Any religion should not be given so much importance, anywhere…afterall, religions are just based on a set of ideas with some historical facts formulated by men with little if any scientific knowledge. Better to get rid of false ideas rather than delude yourself with them.
Comment by SinEbb — 9/4/2006 @ 8:15 pm
The muslim invaders use the same strategy in Denmark.
Here they won’t even bath with the infidels so the pool is open ONLY for muslim women ! Thanks to the local-goverment…
The totalitarian islamic invaders never miss a chance to get more power.
I wish people would do the Ghandi-thing, and just boycot pools taken over by the invaders. Economy would do the rest…
Comment by Kim Petersen — 9/5/2006 @ 4:36 am
Jumping in a pool fully clothed according to sharia law is against health and safety rules, we’ve had the same problem at our pool here. They think because they’re muslims that they can ignore safety regulations. That’s simply rubbish. And then when they’re stopped, they yell ‘discrimination!’ It’s ridiculous. Our laws should not be modified to accommodate burkas and sharia law, which, by the way is their goal–because they don’t recognize any ’separation of church and state’ -they want sharia law to rule over us and the flag of the moongod to be flying over the whitehouse.
Comment by Cao — 9/5/2006 @ 4:47 am
I tend to recall not so long ago in America a very modest bathing suit which amounted to more clothing than what passes for public attire these days was the norm. My mother-in-law is a retired swim instructor from Indonesia and a Muslim. She asked her Imam many years ago what was appropriate for swimming and he said a swim suit not clothing from top-to-bottom. This isn’t Islam at work, it’s politics and everyone does it. There’s no monopoly held by any group.
Wassalaam,
Anthony
Comment by Anthony — 9/5/2006 @ 1:22 pm
Denmark? The same thing happens in Australia, council/government run pools open after hours for Muslim women only nights. The windows are all covered, despite the patronage wearing more robes than Darth Vader. But seriously, it happens and so what? We’re threatened because these people are different. I never considered mysef a racist, and I’m technically not. But I am a religious bigot. I do not support Islam, as my belief is that it is a culture prone to violence, and is counterprogressive to the advancement of mankind. Name an Islamic scholars, business tycoon (not oil mogul) or inventor? Can’t? Didn’t think so. Islam is a backwards culture, representative of repressive and destructive values. Are there decent Muslims? Yes. Yes there are. I have met some of them. It is unfortunate, according to my beliefs, that they are brainwashed and misguided into a violent, opressive religion that is anything but harmless, innocent or benign.
As such, we have begun to see their cultural practices, as not merely religious tradition, but an outright rejection of the societal values and freedoms that we cherish.
It won’t be until more Muslims, globally, stand up against the attrocities committed in their name, that we will begin to accept their traditions as the extensions of the freedom that we so adore.
This is my somewhat bigoted exploration of the issue.
Comment by Goshdarnit — 9/5/2006 @ 10:30 pm
Third World PC BS
I honestly don’t know what’s worse: Muslims and foreigners who want this free and wonderful country to change to suit them, or our tendency to prostrate ourselves before them and concede to their ridiculous demands.
Back in June I wrote a…
Trackback by La Shawn Barber's Corner — 9/7/2006 @ 7:27 am
I would give good odds that the muslim girl’s “quote” was what she was told to say by an ACLU lawyer. While I have a good bit of sympathy with the ACLU agenda in terms of freedom of speech and seperation of church and state, there comes point where the ACLU’s ability to ignore other relevant fact becomes most annoying. Extremism in the pursuit of any particular virtue is a vice.
Anyway, like this muslim girl, I too have been denied entry to swimming pools. My religion, Old Time Islam, requires me to rape a goat beside the swimming pool, before entering the water. The authorities didn’t feel that this behavior is appropriate. I felt humiliated and disappointed because I was denied an opportunity to have fun with my friends just because I’m Old Time Muslim.
And yes this is the path to Dhimmitude. In the UK, a British six year old girl’s passport photo was rejected because she had bare shoulders. The British passport officials were afraid muslims would be offended by the picture. There are also objections to statues of pigs in the UK. And there is also objections to the Union Jack. Where will this end in the UK? Where will it end here?
Comment by Demosthenes — 9/7/2006 @ 1:46 pm
Instead of allowing the girl to jump in fully clothed in street clothes, she should be encouraged to buy an appropriate swimsuit designed specifically for Muslim women and girls, such as this site, which offers several options, depending on how strictly the family interprets the Islamic dress code: http://www.jelbab.com/Swim-Suit.asp
So, if the girl wears appropriate swimwear, then there should be no problem. However, if others are allowed to swim in shorts and t-shirts, then there is a problem. Either everyone is allowed to wear street clothes or no one should be.
Comment by March Hare — 9/7/2006 @ 4:01 pm
#6 –Muslim scholar, business tycoon, inventor??? None is right for one very simple reason –
A person (culture) cannot rise upward while forcing another down. The treatment of the female gender by those of the Islamic relgion(culture) is an abomination. They cannot advance while holding back half of their human capital. Too much energy, effort, assets are spent keeping women down, 2nd class, subservient, property.
Why feminists in the Western world don’t rise up and fight this threaten to womenhood I will never understand. As a Christian, conservative, feminist I understand all too clearly.
Comment by Judy — 9/7/2006 @ 4:07 pm
Sinclair Lewis is wrong.
Comment by mac — 9/7/2006 @ 7:02 pm
Absolutely Judy. But its not just the despicable oppression of women, but the Isamic rejection of fundamental human rights and all progressive thought and ideals. Just regard Sharia law. Humans, attempting to live as animals. I will not subscribe to the subjugation of our ideals under the guise of equal rights, when their ideals are totallitarian in nature. Grant them respect, don’t remove our traditional or religious symbols because they cry out in offense. What offends me, in our countries, is the catalyst of the rejection of our customs, combined with the demands that their customs be met. I see an inevitable infringement of my rights here.
Support that which grants freedoms, but does not infringe on your rights. I see some ideals that could (could being the operative word) very much infringe on my rights. I would like to see another side of this issue. Broaden my horizons, see if my perspective is just, blatantly wrong, or somewhere in between. However, I still see Islam is evil. And I still try to “regard the individual and not the Swastika.”
Comment by Goshdarnit — 9/7/2006 @ 8:57 pm
Hello fellow .. people?
Well, as a Muslim, I think I’ll say my point of view of things. First of all- this girl, did wrong by jumping in a pool. Period. She should have asked the life-gaurds if it was apporiate that she was full clothe for swimming. NO person should be allowed to jump in any random pool- no matter what they are wearing..
I have gone swimming, but not fully clothed. I wore a t-shirt and shorts and a shower cap, when I was younger [12] but now that I am older- it just isnt allowed. In my opinion, after a certain age, girls should not be put in pools with guys, cause when a girl starts to “grow”, it makes it more of an open chance for a guy to make his move.
The mistake of this Muslim girl was just jumping in. Not being fully clothed or being Muslim. There is nothing wrong with the religion of Islam, you should just take a minute to read up on it.
I respect Jews & CHristians, so why cant you respect us, too?
Thanks, Wassalam,
Mary =]
Comment by Mary — 9/29/2006 @ 6:52 pm
“Respecting” and bowing in dhimmitude are two different things. Do you mean we should pay the jizyah? Is that ‘respect’? What about changing the configuration of a multi religious graveyard to point to mecca despite the fact that jews and Christians are buried there? Is that what you consider to be ‘respect’?
That’s more like dhimmitude if you ask me, and I won’t be a dhimmi or pay the jizyah.
We should all respect one another, and no one religion should be held higher than another, otherwise we might as well be living under sharia law.
Comment by Cao — 9/30/2006 @ 9:44 am
6. Name an Islamic scholars, business tycoon (not oil mogul) or inventor? Can’t? Didn’t think so.
Ibn Sinna (Avicenna)
Al Jabar (Algebra)
Ibn Khaldun
Al Kindi
Saladin (Salahuddin)
Al Nafis
you guys are so bigoted and ignorant, if you think your right to walk down the street half naked will be destryoed by a lil girl who doesn’t want to have a wet t-shirt contest.
Why don’t you just say that you can’t stand morality and you wanna have sex in the street with goats to display your freedom of choice?
Because all she represents is a lil bit of morality, in a society where bigots are trying to take over and destory the foundations of faith and righteousness that our country was biult on…
Comment by Sacajawea — 10/15/2006 @ 6:10 pm
We just don’t want sharia law imposed on us or to be treated like dhimmis or be forced to pay the jizya. Do what you will, but don’t touch those who don’t believe as you do.
Thanks for showing us your infinite wisdom. Many times those who find it necessary to call people names have a bigger problem on their hands than they know. That little problem for you would be your Arab superiority. Or your sense of muslim superiority, which is prevalent in the Arab culture. This seems to be what your problem is, my friend. Perhaps you should keep your sharia law to yourself. We separate our worshipping habits from our work, from our government. In the Middle East, that isn’t the case, but that isn’t our problem, now, is it? Your wish to impose this line of thinking on the rest of us is going to become a bigger problem as time goes on.
This is the West, where we didn’t grow up thinking that muslims are in charge; where we value personal responsibility and individual liberty and believe in the right to choose–or free will. Under Sharia law, you never get that chance. It will take a long time before that happens, if I can help it.
Comment by Cao — 10/15/2006 @ 7:25 pm
6. Name an Islamic scholars, business tycoon (not oil mogul) or inventor? Can’t? Didn’t think so.
Sacajawea, you gave me a short list of crusaders, philosophers and academics from pre 1300 BC. Well, it’s a start at least. Any recorded advancements to civilization from, say, the LAST FEW HUNDRED YEARS?!! No? Yes? Yes/no? Say what? Come again? Cupa’tea? Yes? No? *Cough* No? Negative? Uhuh. Nup. No. Nope. I’m sorry? Sayitagain? No. Oh that’s it. I gotya. Definite no. One more time? NO…
Islam is a backwards culture of peaceful suicide bombing, rioting, culling, killing, beheading, de-limbing, stoning, hanging, shooting, maiming, injuring, crusading, raping, genital mutilating, women subjugating, westerner prolificating SOBS; who, as far as I’m concerned, can take their religion of ‘violent’ peace back to the sandpit.
And as for that statement about goats…
Islamic teachings on sex and animals-
“If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it.”
Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/16/2006 @ 1:28 am
As salamu alaykum wr wb.
Respectfully.
Hi, my name is Alen, i’m from Ljubljana, SLOVENIA.
I have a few questions regarding Islam:
1. Where in the Quran does The God say that we have to follow sunna, hadith and where exactly are they mentioned?
2. How many prayers a day does The God mention in the Quran and where can i find them?
3. Where in the Quran does The God say that women must cover their hair?
Thanks and good luck.
Peace.
Comment by Alen — 10/26/2006 @ 7:57 am
Sorry Alen, but we westerners don’t care. What we want to know is, WHAT good has ISLAM contributed to the world? We, ask this, because we have seen no evidence of anything good ever coming from Islam (in the last half millenium).
Comment by Goshdarnit — 10/28/2006 @ 5:17 am
Why cant they just buy wetsuits wear a swimming cap and if they still feel exposed they buy a nylon skirt made especially for swimming.
Comment by lala — 11/5/2006 @ 8:13 am
I don’t think all of you understand Islam. Although I’m not a scholar of it, I think I know enough about it to say that some of you are sadly uninformed. Although I am unable to think of anything Islam has done good for the world, I know it can’t be any worse than christianity. I am a mormon (a type of christian) from Utah, and if anyone said my religion was good-for-nothing, I would have to disagree because of the happiness and hope it brings me. I’m positve that Islam (when correctly followed by the Koran) brings happiness and hope to the people following it. If any of you are thinking of the wars Islam fought as it was beginning to emerge as shameful then I have this to say to you: The goal of the crusades was to kill Islams, but rather than find and kill them, the crusaders simply killed thousands of Middle Easterners without asking religious belief. This can be compared to today, where some Muslims twist the Koran and believe they should kill countless people whithout asking thier religios belief. So please, before you point the finger at someone, look at what you do, think or believe and try to better yourself, rather than putting down others.
Comment by Wesley Turner (age 15) — 4/1/2007 @ 9:31 pm
I think you’re seriously misinformed, my dear.
The Crusades were the response to hundreds of years of bloody Islamic conquest; the Islamists had spread across Europe and the Christians took back their land.
Take a look at Faith Freedom where you can learn more about this horrible ‘religion of peace’ and what it really stands for. Those are former muslims who are telling the story as it should be told; the enemy is Islam.
Take a look at the photo gallery there.
People are mistaken when they assume that Islam is like other religions. Jihad demands the killing of infidels or their conversion to islam or subjugation under Islamic law. The jihad ideology requires the oppression of women and numerous other things….
None of which is commanded by the God of the Judeao Christian ideology.
Also read this, by Amil Imani. Amil is an Iranian who is well aware of the Islamist ideology. He quotes their holy book there.
Comment by Cao — 4/2/2007 @ 6:22 am
I think the west has been characterized for liberty and freedom of spirit. People who come to this country and hold other religions need to adapt themselves to what it is here, period. They need to respect us and our values too. All should be treated equal. We dont need double standards here. No matter what religion people are, if they want to be here, they need to do some accomodation themselves to integrate to America. It is like me going to a foreing nation and demanding them that they need to change their laws because i dont practice what they practice. This is an agression to the American people who live in this country to come here and complain for this and for that. To me, it is an agression if anybody come here and try to change my liberties, my government, or my free will. People who come here (to America) need to integrate to America’s values, and abide to our rules. American people cannot bow down to new comers religion or impossing ideas. We have a very strong history and our values reflect our history. Dont underestimate the hundreds of souldiers who fought and died for America’s freedom. Dont let anybody throw that freedom to the trashcan. Save your family and your country. Stand for America. In the case of the girl well, I believe the health and public authorities have the best rules for our kids in swimming pool regulations, period. That is my coment.
Comment by mary — 4/5/2007 @ 5:21 am
I’m glad she did that since if she wants to swim she can even if she is all covered up its her choice what to wear. They’re should be an all girl swimming pool in Michigan it’ll be easier for muslims and people who would not like to swim with guys to go to…Than they wouldnt need to be concious of what they are wearing b/c of the guys around
Comment by Sam — 6/2/2007 @ 1:58 pm
I’m glad she did that since if she wants to swim she can even if she is all covered up its her choice what to wear. They’re should be an all girl swimming pool in Michigan it’ll be easier for muslims and people who would not like to swim with guys to go to…Than they wouldnt need to be concious of what they are wearing b/c of the guys around
Comment by Sam — 6/2/2007 @ 1:58 pm
It’s against public safety law here to jump into a pool with your clothes on.
Comment by Cao — 6/2/2007 @ 3:37 pm
what is wrong with the islam ummah ?
we can’t decide on what is wrong and right. where we have too many people making up their own opinions on matter of the religion and saying that is what God wants. what happen to the Holy Quran and Muhammam(PBUh) teaching. For example , i want to say good job on winning the case of letting people( women) were cloth for swimming. that great. But i thought it was not right for a women and a men to swim in the same pool. i know clothing will cover you, but once you come out of the pool , you will be wet and you know what i my saying. i just want a islam ummah where there is one rule , one law. we all believe in one God , ALLAh. i come we can’t have that.
Comment by mohamed — 6/11/2007 @ 11:21 pm
what is wrong with the islam ummah ?
we can’t decide on what is wrong and right. where we have too many people making up their own opinions on matter of the religion and saying that is what God wants. what happen to the Holy Quran and Muhammam(PBUh) teaching. For example , i want to say good job on winning the case of letting people( women) were cloth for swimming. that great. But i thought it was not right for a women and a men to swim in the same pool. i know clothing will cover you, but once you come out of the pool , you will be wet and you know what i my saying. i just want a islam ummah where there is one rule , one law. we all believe in one God , ALLAh. i come we can’t have that.
Comment by mohamed — 6/11/2007 @ 11:22 pm
Dude. Relax. Take some Bromide then. Then you won’t care what the heck the babes are wearing. Naked. Wet or not.
The Islamic situation at times is quite laughable. Men, blaming women, for the desire culminated by their ‘male’ libidos. But there is a solution! Islamic MALE genitel mutilation, with Castroblade tm. With one brutal, and bloody swipe, you can end the reign of that hideous libido, and the power that curvaceous bodies may hold over you. And then, everyone is happy. Even the Zionists! Women can be exposed, and hatred will no longer propogate. Yay for all.
Mohamed, if your religion causes such discomfort, avoid the darned swimming pools. Just don’t ask those who do not believe as you do to bow, or even accomodate your beliefs at the expense of their own. Twenty first century society needs the contrast against, and not adherance to singular, flawed and primitive (religious) ideals.
Comment by Goshdarnit — 6/16/2007 @ 9:23 am
For those who are terified that muslims are going to flood their country, force them to bow to their religious laws and have sex with there goats; GET A GRIP!!As with every new ethnic group which has suffered racism ,slander and unfair treatment not to mention weird steriotypes when they arrive on the shores of the home of the free, they now have the pleasure of being the new oppressed , And many of the previous commentors I am sure are enjoying their roles of oppressors. This little girl jumping in the water with her clothes on shouldn’t be an issue . She is a child who wants to be with her peers and feel satisfied that she is also fulfilling her religios duties . BUT, there are laws of the land that must be followed and before she made it ( or rather the adults around her)public issue, She should have came back wearing an islamic bathing suit ( they do make them) If then she was refused to be allowed to swim then she should make it public issue. Or are we going to need separate water fountains for muslims ,too?
Comment by Sarah — 8/12/2007 @ 11:05 pm
Note to Sarah: ISLAM IS NOT A RACE
Comment by Cao — 8/13/2007 @ 5:46 am
Additional note: we already have separate water fountains in some places. The Muslims are demanding them and getting them. See: MN airports.
Comment by Ogre — 8/13/2007 @ 8:35 am
Note to CAO: I realize this.If we are going to mince words,subsitute racism with bigotry.
Comment by Sarah — 8/13/2007 @ 10:30 pm
To Ogre, can you provide me with the link for this information ? I would greatly appreciate it.
Comment by Sarah — 8/13/2007 @ 10:38 pm
Sarah Muslims segregate themselves, they do not assimilate they insist on doing things their way whrever they go, and if you go to their countries, they insist (in some countries) that you assimilate to their views….try to walk around Saudi Arabia without a head cover, or in a skirt. I personnaly think there should be a comprimise. wear your head scarf until pulled over by a cop, then proove your ID by showing your face for an instant, the cops should maybe at least call for a female officer, but if none are available …tough. your in America with American laws.
Comment by Richard Nixon — 8/14/2007 @ 6:58 am
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016020.php
Comment by Ogre — 8/14/2007 @ 11:03 am
thank you Ogre for the link. It is interesting to know the colledge’s policy on non-religious identificaton but are willing to provide a point of segregation amongst the students.Although this has nothing to do with the airports in MN it is enlightening to see how the muslim people are failing to assure those around them that they are trying to assimilate into western society.Thanks again.
Comment by Sarah — 8/15/2007 @ 11:06 pm
There is so much anti Islamic propaganda out there and non smart people use words like sharia and jizya as if to impress while they really lack the knowledge of what they mean. Sharia is Islamic Law, which by the way is not practiced properly or implemented in any so called Muslim country nowadays. As a matter of fact systems of laws as we know them in the West might have far more in common with original thought after Sharia than much of what is seen in SO called “puppets of the west” and mostly corrupt “islamic” governments. And what it has in common is the tolerance, respect, help to the poor, public services established as a system. It was only under Islamic ruling that all three main religions coexisted and prospered in Palestine. It was to Muslims ruled lands that the Jews ran to for protection from the inquisition. And the West has inherited more from Islam than it would like to give it credit for.. Such as the whole concept of higher education.. why else do you think you have to wear a thobe and a cap with a string coming down from the center top when you graduate from college? All of that comes from the ways of Islamic Universities. That string was a reminder that the knowledge you acquired was only for the service of others and the pleasure of God Who could pull our lives out of this World in any instant as a reminder to act with righteousness and not arrogance. The West had not even dreamt of these type of schools when the Muslim World had the best Universities, and the Islamic South of Spain was the center of Studies in Europe where even the best of Christianity was sent to for studies.
The jizya is nothing but the tax to be paid by non Muslims living in Muslims land, and that was a tax spent solely to take care of services they benefited from and their protection which was guaranteed. We Muslims don’t fuzz so much when we have to pay VERY HIGH taxes out of every pay check….much of what goes to an ARMY that is little about protecting citizen’s rights but about ensuring the fattening of corporations gain in the name of patriotism, and much of what goes out to bomb and then yes ‘dhimmis’ the rest of the world to the idol of America. Taxes used often to harass us in our own country and jail us many unjustly. It is pretty well known that 911 was a self inflicted wound. You call Muslims violent? How could you think any different when ever since childhood the bad guy on the silent cartoon was the bearded guy with the turban? You are shaped to think what they want you to think. I used to think pretty much like many of you, until I started meeting Muslims. Ever wonder why the largest growing religion as we speak in the world and in the US is Islam? And the fastest growing segment is the women? Women who are choosing a set of believes and practices that are so strong and make them so much happier than they ever were so that changing their bikinis for a fully covered swim wear -or not swiming at all- is the least relevant of that transformation of their souls and lives. Brainwashed? Quite effective brainwashing I would say… What about clear choice, just the choice many wouldn’t like or expect us to take. Sorry you cannot see our bodies anymore, now such privilege to give is also our choice. And it is sad enough how for many out there it seems as if the world was about to fall because of a little girl who probably urged her mother to let her go swiming with her friends –who didn’t care her religion because kids are not sick like grown people- and her loving mother perhaps not having knowledge that there is proper swimming attire for her to get or perhaps simply not been able to afford it just told her perhaps Go dear, we live in the land of the rights, who will mind that you swim? And thanks God, most don’t mind. Thanks for the espace that allows me say all this.
Comment by shakeyourstereotypes — 8/27/2007 @ 11:08 pm
Welcome shakeyourstereotypes, I would remind you that although much of your historical reference is correct,it is just that, the past. Islamic nations have taken a different turn, rare is it the nation where Jews and Christians live in peace with their Islamic neighbor, Jordan is one, but they have a benevelant king, what happens when he is gone? Look to Saudi Arabia where women cannot do as they please. The new enlightened lands are in the West. Yes much of what we practice came from Islamic nations 1000 years in the past, but this is now, and who knows what the future will bring. I read a magazine recently that showed a black imam in America who had served in Vietnam and converted because he did not want to worship a white God. That is pure ignorance, anyone who cares to study history would know that Christ was not white, did not have blue eyes, but was very probably a swarthy brown complexion, with black curly hair, and deep brown eyes. Islam is growing, and if it is growing Muslims with a sense of the way they were in the past then great, if it is growing Muslims to be like they are in a majority of nations today…..bad. 9/11 was not a self inflicted wound, it was an attack on innocent people by cowards. Remember that. Welcome to this site. If this site was hosted in the Middle East it would be banned…so much for enlightmnment in todays age.
Comment by Richard Nixon — 8/28/2007 @ 8:05 am
I cannot believe, so much ignorance in 21. century. So, you ask what good brought Islam to the world? Can I turn the question what Christianity brought good to this world? Please, hmmm, no, say again, may be….ok, this question is really stupid, actually both of them are stupid… it is not the religion (which in its base is pure and was revealed by God - Judaism, Christianity or Islam)….it is the people, we should ask. What did muslims brought good in the last centuries….not much, and if we ask what the christians brought….well the same…nothing much. You speak about: “Islam is a backwards culture of peaceful suicide bombing, rioting, culling, killing, beheading, de-limbing, stoning, hanging, shooting, maiming, injuring, crusading, raping, genital mutilating, women subjugating,…“..copied from previous comment…what can we say about the christians?? Who slaughtered the native people of America? Muslims or Christians? Who destroyed the natives of Australia? Who made people slaves? (Islam in fact teach people how to behave towards slave, he must be well cared for AND furthermore, Islam encouraged release of slaves….when? in 7.century A.C.) Who made 1. and 2. world war? Who made holocaust? I have never heard about Germans or Italian, Japanese converting to Islam in 1930s. What about colonies of France and Great Britain. Where those christians giving to the Indians and North Africans bananas? No those christians were slaughtering people, and stealing the wealth of their countries…so that is what the christians did, if you want it this way. What about Vietnam and Korea? Who made those wars? Muslim or christians? Who is dropping bombs now on Iraqis? What about the despicable abuse in Iraqi prisons by CHRISTIAN US marines and UK soldiers….that is teaching of christianity? Please, put up the level…go read books then speak……you are boring me….
Comment by Noone — 9/13/2007 @ 4:46 am
I cannot believe, so much ignorance in 21. century. So, you ask what good brought Islam to the world? Can I turn the question what Christianity brought good to this world? Please, hmmm, no, say again, may be….ok, this question is really stupid, actually both of them are stupid… it is not the religion (which in its base is pure and was revealed by God - Judaism, Christianity or Islam)….it is the people, we should ask. What did muslims brought good in the last centuries….not much, and if we ask what the christians brought….well the same…nothing much. You speak about: “Islam is a backwards culture of peaceful suicide bombing, rioting, culling, killing, beheading, de-limbing, stoning, hanging, shooting, maiming, injuring, crusading, raping, genital mutilating, women subjugating,…“..copied from previous comment…what can we say about the christians?? Who slaughtered the native people of America? Muslims or Christians? Who destroyed the natives of Australia? Who made people slaves? (Islam in fact teach people how to behave towards slave, he must be well cared for AND furthermore, Islam encouraged release of slaves….when? in 7.century A.C.) Who made 1. and 2. world war? Who made holocaust? I have never heard about Germans or Italian, Japanese converting to Islam in 1930s. What about colonies of France and Great Britain. Where those christians giving to the Indians and North Africans bananas? No those christians were slaughtering people, and stealing the wealth of their countries…so that is what the christians did, if you want it this way. What about Vietnam and Korea? Who made those wars? Muslim or christians? Who is dropping bombs now on Iraqis? What about the despicable abuse in Iraqi prisons by CHRISTIAN US marines and UK soldiers….that is teaching of christianity? Please, put up the level…go read books then speak……you are boring me….
Comment by Noone — 9/13/2007 @ 4:46 am
Actually the previous commenter was me and I made none of the accusations you imply, but I will answer your questions anyway.
It is not about religion unless you make it about religion.
Who started WWI and WW2? Germans…they never brought religion into it, except to try to eliminate the Jews.
Who slaughters American Indians? Americans, and other indians. Religion was never a reason. Don’t forget it was reciprocated on occassion.
Who destroyed the natives of Australia? Prisoners dropped there by the British, but it had nothing to do with religion.
Who made people slaves?
Everyone. Religion played no part. Who continues slavery in Chad to this day. Muslims in the north against Animist and Christian black tribes in the south. Religion may play a part here, or it may be racial.
Who made the holocaust?
Germans….atheists mostly. Who wants tocontinue killing Jews in Israel? Arabs….mostly Muslims….could be religous.
What good has either religion brought in the last few centuries?
I finally agree with you….not much. But religions are not supposed to produce goods, invent things etc…they are supposed to teach peace and love for your neighbor. Both religions do this in places, and both fail in places and times in history, it just happens that at this time in history there is more hate preaching by Islamic Imams than Christian preachers.
Hope that helps. please do not double post.
Comment by Richard Nixon — 9/13/2007 @ 6:18 am
ok, but the people who did all those atrocities were christians…., of course religion was not involved, because they long time forgot it….by the way, if somebody occupy a country, the people they have no right to defend themselves? Izrael occupies Palestine and that is the truth. See, no one from Iraq invaded US, yet they are droping bombs on iraqis….or are there double standards?
Comment by Noone — 9/13/2007 @ 6:30 am
In 1948 Pasha and Husseini declared they were going to blast the Jews to smithereens and steal all their money. Everyone around them decided to join in, and they all got their asses kicked. Lord JAH helped the Israelis defeat incredible odds to re-establish the Holy Land. Palestine wasn’t proposed as a separate entity until 1964, when the Mufti was trying to think of new schemes to defeat the Israelis. They first tried to establish it in Jordan.
The killing of Palestinians and babies is propaganda that you’ve obviously fallen for…islamist propaganda. Terrorists throw bombs, and lead their children into war, using women and children as shields, all the while glorifying dying for Islam. It’s really a sad state of affairs that we’ve seen play out elsewhere, and it is senseless and stupid.
Then when death happens, particularly to the children they surround themselves with, suddenly they weren’t waging a jihad, they were ‘innocent civilians’. They are encouraging young mothers to kill themselves for jihad. (At that link) -From Hamas TV channel, Al Aqsa TV, and published by Palestinian Media Watch. The four-year-old daughter of female suicide bomber singing to her dead mother and vows to follow in her footsteps.
Teaching Children to die for Allah in Palestine and Lebanon
Sorry, the Crusades were a response to the same Moslem conquest we see today–conquest achieved through raising the sword.
Christians do not tell their children to kill, to lie, etc., like Islamists do - Christians believe in protecting the innocent…not killing them. Islamists are merely following their hero Mohammed.
Comment by Cao — 9/13/2007 @ 6:01 pm
Noone, I understand the point you are trying to make, and I am trying to politely disagree and point out your errors.
During WWI the Ottoman Empire (mostly Islamic) sided and fought with the Germans.
The Ottoman Empire took over the Byzantium Empire and held it until the end of WWI, and that is why there is a large population of Muslims in Europe. specifically Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia (old Yugoslavia area).
Using your logic about Israel occupying Palistinean lands, Europeans could say the same about Muslims in the afore mentioned Countries, so when conflict broke out in the 90’s who did the United States support? The Muslim population.
I beleive your arguement is moot.
Comment by Richard Nixon — 9/14/2007 @ 6:15 am
Noone, here is my proof:
Ahmadinejad: Iran can help secure Iraq, Israel is ‘cruel’
updated 8:06 p.m. EDT, Wed September 12, 2007
Found at:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/12/ahmadinejad.itn/index.html
(CNN) — Iran wants “peace and friendship for all,” the country’s president said Wednesday while again denying Western assertions his nation is pursuing nuclear weapons and trying to destabilize Iraq.
But Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took a hard line against Israel, calling it “an invader” and saying it “cannot continue its life.”
I think I have made my point in the modern era interpretation of things…………..
Comment by Richard Nixon — 9/15/2007 @ 8:07 am
Is this a religious issue or a health issue?!!!
Comment by sky — 2/12/2008 @ 1:14 am
Swim naked!
Comment by sky — 2/12/2008 @ 1:15 am
Comment by sky — 2/12/2008 @ 1:16 am
to the author of the first message; please don’t have any children…your too retarded! a normal human would realize what is going on. We have the right, and our elected officials have a duty to ensure that public bathing places are as hygenic as possible
as for the mega - retard of 21….read the koran, especially the instructions to kill all non-believers. { then again your deluding yourself into believing that moronism is a type of christianity lol!}
Comment by phuckislam — 5/31/2008 @ 8:39 pm
The Western way is to get stoned first and then commit adultery
As for 72 virgins, I wouldn’t cross the road for a go with a virgin. Can any of you remember what it’s like having sex with a virgin ? - I can - it was crap.
Made a mess of my car so imagine what state heaven would be in. The guy that held that prospect out as an incentive was a mummy’s boy who had never dipped his wick
Now if there was 72 slappers from Newcastle who knew the ropes, - hey that’s almost worth being pious for - but only almost
Comment by alan baby yeah — 6/5/2008 @ 2:13 pm
What kind of America are we living in that we now forego our health codes because of someone else’s religion? If they don’t like the rules, then can go back to Saudi Arabia! This is not up for discussion. This is taxpayers money!
In another area of Michigan, I read a blog that proves Muslim-owned businesses aren’t even paying taxes! For 12 years! This is not only unfair, but completely unConstitutional.
And I’m getting really sick of Muslims coming in here and changing the subject everytime someone brings up a murderous and oppressive verse in their Koran. They quickly don’t want to talk about that and then twist the history of the Crusades, the Holocaust and everything else they can find.
First of all, it was the Vikings who were in the Americas. Columbus didn’t even land here. Many civilizations existed, incuding the Chinese that warred with the Indians. So don’t give me this nonsense that it was Americans blowing up and stealing native land. It’s all a diversion tactic. Furthermore, it was the Muslims who fought alongside Hitler to kill the Jews.
Now that this is out of the way, know one thing, we aren’t going to pay extra to have you live here and make every concession in the world for you just so you can riot up a storm like you did in Europe. This needs to stop and it needs to stop NOW. And if they don’t like it, they can be deported!
We have our laws and Constitution already and no one is coming here and changing it or you’re going to see problems. Only the U.S. won’t be dealing with it the way Europe did and does. If you don’t like it here, LEAVE!
Comment by WTF — 9/8/2008 @ 4:49 am
Listen to this shit.just because someone does not want to show her ass and tits,theres a problem.This is America and all the shit and money i pay forto live in this bitch. If I want to jump in the pool with a sweat pants on nobody better not say a muthfuckin thing.And if you would be so bold i suggest you bend over and put you’re head between your legs and kiss your ass good bye.All ya’ll nasty muthafucka’s just wanna see some ass.It should be legal to cover your ass.Not everybody wants to see that shit.
Comment by terri — 9/12/2008 @ 11:51 am
Thanks to you Ogre for the link. It is interesting to know the college’s policy on non-religious identificaton but are willing to provide a point of segregation amongst the students.Although this has nothing to do with the airports in MN it is enlightening to see how the muslim people are failing to assure those around them that they are trying to assimilate into western society.
Comment by barcelona spain — 10/10/2008 @ 6:50 am
CAO has some valid points when he says - Jumping in a pool fully clothed according to sharia law is against health and safety rules, we’ve had the same problem at our pool here. They think because they’re muslims that they can ignore safety regulations. That’s simply rubbish. And then when they’re stopped, they yell ‘discrimination!’ It’s ridiculous.
Comment by apartments valencia — 10/10/2008 @ 6:56 am