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		<title>by: Staunton News</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-316687</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;The ACLU&lt;/strong&gt;

The ACLU, destroying moral and family values on a regular basis.</description>
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<p>The ACLU, destroying moral and family values on a regular basis.
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		<title>by: Kylopod</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-279808</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;kylopod, the fact that you seem unable to draw conclusions from facts presented presents you as a creature unable to think critically, and that in and of itself is a critical fact to present to you as proof that facts are something you seemingly cannot grasp, therefore may I suggest that for teh next holiday you celebrate pick yourself up a book on critical thinking and a dictionary so that you may learn the definition of &quot;fact&quot; and maybe learn how to think critically.&lt;/i&gt;

Or else I might stumble upon one of &lt;a href=&quot;http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm#populam&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the most elementary logical fallacies&lt;/a&gt; and apply it to the above post.

I don't mean to imply, of course, that popularity is unimportant. In a democracy, it is important, but in a republic like the United States, it isn't all-important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>kylopod, the fact that you seem unable to draw conclusions from facts presented presents you as a creature unable to think critically, and that in and of itself is a critical fact to present to you as proof that facts are something you seemingly cannot grasp, therefore may I suggest that for teh next holiday you celebrate pick yourself up a book on critical thinking and a dictionary so that you may learn the definition of &#8220;fact&#8221; and maybe learn how to think critically.</i></p>
<p>Or else I might stumble upon one of <a href="http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm#populam" rel="nofollow">the most elementary logical fallacies</a> and apply it to the above post.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to imply, of course, that popularity is unimportant. In a democracy, it is important, but in a republic like the United States, it isn&#8217;t all-important.
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		<title>by: Kylopod</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-279807</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;My purpose was to present a set of facts and demonstrate the truth that the ACLU is a fringe (albeit a very wealthy) organization whose agenda bears no resemblance to the America it pretends to defend.&lt;/i&gt;

So what? The ACLU's subject--civil liberties--is not determined by majority opinion. You can disagree with the ACLU's interpretation of civil liberties, but what most Americans believe about the subject is irrelevant, because it concerns some of the core principles of our Constitution. If you did a poll and found that a majority of Americans want to see the First Amendment repealed, that wouldn't be a valid reason to repeal it. It's no accident that the highest authority on interpreting Constitutional law--the Supreme Court--is largely out of the hands of the people. Thank God for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My purpose was to present a set of facts and demonstrate the truth that the ACLU is a fringe (albeit a very wealthy) organization whose agenda bears no resemblance to the America it pretends to defend.</i></p>
<p>So what? The ACLU&#8217;s subject&#8211;civil liberties&#8211;is not determined by majority opinion. You can disagree with the ACLU&#8217;s interpretation of civil liberties, but what most Americans believe about the subject is irrelevant, because it concerns some of the core principles of our Constitution. If you did a poll and found that a majority of Americans want to see the First Amendment repealed, that wouldn&#8217;t be a valid reason to repeal it. It&#8217;s no accident that the highest authority on interpreting Constitutional law&#8211;the Supreme Court&#8211;is largely out of the hands of the people. Thank God for that.
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		<title>by: Kender</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-279506</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>kylopod, the fact that you seem unable to draw conclusions from facts presented presents you as a creature unable to think critically, and that in and of itself is a critical fact to present to you as proof that facts are something you seemingly cannot grasp, therefore may I suggest that for teh next holiday you celebrate pick yourself up a book on critical thinking and a dictionary so that you may learn the definition of &quot;fact&quot; and maybe learn how to think critically.

Call it a present to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kylopod, the fact that you seem unable to draw conclusions from facts presented presents you as a creature unable to think critically, and that in and of itself is a critical fact to present to you as proof that facts are something you seemingly cannot grasp, therefore may I suggest that for teh next holiday you celebrate pick yourself up a book on critical thinking and a dictionary so that you may learn the definition of &#8220;fact&#8221; and maybe learn how to think critically.</p>
<p>Call it a present to yourself.
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		<title>by: Glib Fortuna</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-278459</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-278459</guid>
					<description>Kylopod--

Don't overthink this.  My purpose was to present a set of facts and demonstrate the truth that the ACLU is a fringe (albeit a very wealthy) organization whose agenda bears no resemblance to the America it pretends to defend.  

If you would have read the entire post, you would have noticed this:

&quot;Judge the evidence for yourself.&quot;

Is this all cleared up for you now Sparky?</description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t overthink this.  My purpose was to present a set of facts and demonstrate the truth that the ACLU is a fringe (albeit a very wealthy) organization whose agenda bears no resemblance to the America it pretends to defend.  </p>
<p>If you would have read the entire post, you would have noticed this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Judge the evidence for yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this all cleared up for you now Sparky?
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		<title>by: Kylopod</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-278121</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Heh. You know what, you've convinced me. Who needs arguments? Arguments are a liberal invention and therefore evil. You just know you're correct, it's so obvious it needs no explaining. The fact that I'd actually ask you to back up your opinions shows my liberal bias, since you know that your views don't need to be backed up. Self-evident truths never do. I truly am sorry for not realizing this. My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. You know what, you&#8217;ve convinced me. Who needs arguments? Arguments are a liberal invention and therefore evil. You just know you&#8217;re correct, it&#8217;s so obvious it needs no explaining. The fact that I&#8217;d actually ask you to back up your opinions shows my liberal bias, since you know that your views don&#8217;t need to be backed up. Self-evident truths never do. I truly am sorry for not realizing this. My bad.
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		<title>by: Cao</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-277903</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No valid arguments to what?  To support the contention that the ACLU's mission to destroy Christianity and the values of over 60% of the people living in the US?  To support the fact that we should be watching them very closely and cutting off their funding because they get our taxpayer money to waste on doing precisely that?

There is no argument as far as I can see, just facts, and you have to take your critical thinking skills from there and draw a conclusion.

You know, a conclusion that's not written for you at snopes or wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No valid arguments to what?  To support the contention that the ACLU&#8217;s mission to destroy Christianity and the values of over 60% of the people living in the US?  To support the fact that we should be watching them very closely and cutting off their funding because they get our taxpayer money to waste on doing precisely that?</p>
<p>There is no argument as far as I can see, just facts, and you have to take your critical thinking skills from there and draw a conclusion.</p>
<p>You know, a conclusion that&#8217;s not written for you at snopes or wikipedia.
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		<title>by: Kylopod</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-277797</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 05:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Kylopod, the ACLU is subversive, always has been, always will be.&lt;/i&gt;

That is irrelevant to what I just wrote. I did not defend the ACLU. All I did was point out that the post above offers no valid arguments. The post simply states that the ACLU is horrible, subversive, etc. and that their positions are unpopular. But it doesn't bother to bring any arguments proving that those positions are &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;. Such arguments may exist, but none of them appear in the above post.

The bloggers here seem to start from the assumption that their views are absolute, gospel truth, to the extent that they don't even have to back up those views with &lt;i&gt;valid&lt;/i&gt; arguments. They think that simply &lt;i&gt;asserting&lt;/i&gt; the views in a loud, rambunctious manner is the proper mode of argumentation.

Of course, you have every right to approach blogging in this way. The last thing I'm going to do is tell other people how to run their own blog. But I certainly can point out an absence of reasoned arguments when I see it. This doesn't mean you're wrong; it simply means that you haven't proven that you're right.

&lt;i&gt;Now that we are an offical covert CIA site I want to thank you, Kylopod, for commenting and placing all of your personal information into our servers.

Soemone will be by to discuss your views with you shortly.&lt;/i&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Kylopod, the ACLU is subversive, always has been, always will be.</i></p>
<p>That is irrelevant to what I just wrote. I did not defend the ACLU. All I did was point out that the post above offers no valid arguments. The post simply states that the ACLU is horrible, subversive, etc. and that their positions are unpopular. But it doesn&#8217;t bother to bring any arguments proving that those positions are <i>wrong</i>. Such arguments may exist, but none of them appear in the above post.</p>
<p>The bloggers here seem to start from the assumption that their views are absolute, gospel truth, to the extent that they don&#8217;t even have to back up those views with <i>valid</i> arguments. They think that simply <i>asserting</i> the views in a loud, rambunctious manner is the proper mode of argumentation.</p>
<p>Of course, you have every right to approach blogging in this way. The last thing I&#8217;m going to do is tell other people how to run their own blog. But I certainly can point out an absence of reasoned arguments when I see it. This doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re wrong; it simply means that you haven&#8217;t proven that you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p><i>Now that we are an offical covert CIA site I want to thank you, Kylopod, for commenting and placing all of your personal information into our servers.</p>
<p>Soemone will be by to discuss your views with you shortly.</i></p>
<p> <img src='http://thewideawakes.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Kender</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-277741</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kylopod, the ACLU is subversive, always has been, always will be.

The vast, VAST majority of people in this country don't agree with the majority of the ACLU's policies and actions because the vast, VAST majority of people in this country love this country.

Now that we are an offical covert CIA site I want to thank you, Kylopod, for commenting and placing all of your personal information into our servers.

Soemone will be by to discuss your views with you shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kylopod, the ACLU is subversive, always has been, always will be.</p>
<p>The vast, VAST majority of people in this country don&#8217;t agree with the majority of the ACLU&#8217;s policies and actions because the vast, VAST majority of people in this country love this country.</p>
<p>Now that we are an offical covert CIA site I want to thank you, Kylopod, for commenting and placing all of your personal information into our servers.</p>
<p>Soemone will be by to discuss your views with you shortly.
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		<title>by: Kylopod</title>
		<link>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-277090</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/08/31/aclu-outnumbered/#comment-277090</guid>
					<description>I'm not sure what your point is supposed to be. You're entitled to disagree with the ACLU's positions, but you have presented not a single &lt;i&gt;valid&lt;/i&gt; argument against them in this post. You dismiss the statement &quot;What is right in the Constitution is not always popular&quot; even though that's a perfectly valid defense. The fact that these positions are unpopular doesn't prove that they're wrong. It doesn't prove that they're right, either. It doesn't prove anything, except...well, that the positions are unpopular. Many of the opinions expressed on this blog are just as unpopular with the American public as are the ACLU's views about free speech. It doesn't prove anything one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your point is supposed to be. You&#8217;re entitled to disagree with the ACLU&#8217;s positions, but you have presented not a single <i>valid</i> argument against them in this post. You dismiss the statement &#8220;What is right in the Constitution is not always popular&#8221; even though that&#8217;s a perfectly valid defense. The fact that these positions are unpopular doesn&#8217;t prove that they&#8217;re wrong. It doesn&#8217;t prove that they&#8217;re right, either. It doesn&#8217;t prove anything, except&#8230;well, that the positions are unpopular. Many of the opinions expressed on this blog are just as unpopular with the American public as are the ACLU&#8217;s views about free speech. It doesn&#8217;t prove anything one way or another.
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