Just goes to show how similar your views are to his; and your put downs as far as our faith is concerned are similar as well.

Hitler himself should know how he felt about Christianity, and I have read some of the documents and have some of them reproduced at my website–how they went about infiltrating the Christian churches.

Since when is Albert Speer’s memoirs on Hitler not a good reference for how Hitler felt about the subject?  Did you know Hitler personally?  If not, then perhaps you should sit up and pay attention there, Mr. National Socialist, lol!

 Don’t tell me you don’t recognize that Israel is supported by the US because our roots go back to our common judao-christian heritage, and both countrys’ laws are based on the mosaic law which both Christianity and Judaeism have in common? Where is your brain?  Christians don’t hate jews, they’re not anti-semitic–uh…except for perhaps certain catholics like Cindy Sheehan, these days, who’ve slipped away from teachings of the Bible just exactly the same way the Catholic church did in Nazi Germany.

John Ray, who is quite an expert on the subject has several websites up devoted to this subject, in fact.  Just because intellectually you have little capacity for critical thinking doesn’t mean the rest of us have to be equally as daft. 

So really, stop putting your opinion up as though it’s fact and discounting all the evidence I’ve presented here.

You sound, like I said before, just like the terrorist who put that webiste up saying Hitler was a Christian.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it true. You are a great example of a leftist, now you’re taking the ad hominem fallback position because you have nothing left.

Present your facts and evidence, or shut up.

The Nazis, under Hitler’s direction, wanted to stop the printing and spread of the Bible, and to replace it with Mein Kampf.

The Islamofascists of today, who are reading Mein Kempf in Arabic (like Saddam Hussein did)-want to stop the spread of the Bible and replace it with the Koran and sharia law.

How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust:

Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.

FACT: Hitler WAS a Christian. Indisputable. Quoting irrelevant sources doesn’t change this reality.

Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda, noted:“The Fuhrer is deeply religous, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race… Both [Judaism and Christianity] have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end, they will be destroyed.”

See Hitler’s War on Christ

Hitler was a socialist green, just like Schroeder is in Germany today. Notice how well their economy is going, lol…that socialist concept really works, doesn’t it? What is their unemployment rate again?

“The fragile, typewritten documents from the 1940s lay out the Nazi plan in grim detail,” writes Philadelphia Inquirer reporter Edward Colimore: “Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders. And re-indoctrinate the congregants. Give them a new faith – in Germany’s Third Reich.”

Awww, I guess this means the lefties with any sense are going to have to stop with the Bushitler mantra, ! and comparing rightwing Christians with Hitler. So sorry to disappoint, y2krashman.

Some believe that Hitler copied the Turkish Islam.  He was an admirer of Islam, after all.

Prove Hitler wrong. Governments are to wield the sword to bring justice, so remember Armenian and other victims of governments that killed their own people, and thank God that the United States has worked to protect innocent people in Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Sudan.

—Marvin Olasky, World magazine, October 23, 2004, p. 52

Interesting, your rhetoric is sounding scarey and much like that of Nadir Ahmed, here. 

The*actual* Nazi programme for Christianity in Nazi Germany is described here by William Shirer, perhaps the foremost chronicler of the Nazi regime, after noting that the attraction of the German people to Hitler was based upon the successes which the Nazi regime had in building up the army and reviving industry and jobs, writes thus concerning the Nazi plans for Christianity,

“And even fewer paused to reflect that under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann, and Himmler, who were backed by Hitler, the Nazi regime intended eventually to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists. As Bormann, one of the men closest to Hitler, said publically in 1941, ‘National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable‘.”What the Hitler government envisioned for Germany was clearly set out in a thirty-point program for the ‘National Reich Church’ drawn up during the war by Rosenberg, an outspoken pagan, who among his other offices, held that of ‘the Fuehrer’s Delegate for the Entire Intellectual and Philosophical Education and Instruction for the National Socialist Party.’ A few of the thirty articles convey the essentials:

“1. The National Reich Church of Germany categorically claims the exclusive right and the exclusive power to control all churches within the borders of the Reich: it declares these to be the national churches of the German Reich.

“5. The National Church is determined to exterminate irrevocably….the strange and foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.

“7. The National Church has no scribes, pastors, chaplains, or priests, but National Reich orators are to speak in them.

“13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…

“14. The National Church declares that to it, and therefore to the German nation, it has been decided that the Fuehrer’s Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents. It….not only contains the greatest but it embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

“18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints.

“19. On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf (to the German nation and therefore to God the most sacred book) and to the left of the altar a sword.

“30. On the day of its foundation, the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.”¹

Whatever else one might think about these goals, I doubt that there are very many people who would consider these to be part of a program implemented by “Bible believing Christians”. The Nazis, under Hitler’s direction, wanted to stop the printing and spread of the Bible, and to replace it with Mein Kampf. The Nazis wanted to remove the cross and replace it with the swastika, a symbol steeped in Eastern and Hindu mythology. The Nazis wanted to “exterminate irrevocably the foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800″, probably a reference to the conquest and “Christianisation” of the pagan Saxons by Charlemagne. Indeed, Hitler stated at one point to Bormann concerning his true attitude towards the Christian clergy in Germany,

“I’ll make these d***ed parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews.”²

Further, Hitler also stated,

“It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors — but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold.”³

Though Hitler was certainly no Muslim, he *did* have an affinity for the Islamic religion, which he compared favourably against the Christianity in Germany. Albert Speer, Hitler’s wartime Minister of Armaments and Munitions, records in his memoirs,

“Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eighth century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the Battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.”Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking, ‘You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….”⁴

(1) - W.L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 240
(2) - quoted from Hitler’s ‘Table Talks’ in A. Bullock, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny
(3) - Hitler quoted on 27 February 1942, in H.R. Trevor-Roper, Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944, p.278

(4) - A. Speer, Inside the Third Reich, pp. 142-143

From Abe Lincoln: “How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Five? Wrong! Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.”

Hitler could claim he was a Christian all he wanted. That didn’t make him one.

I despise those who use religion to promote themselves, their ideologies, and their hatreds.

I just found this:
Hitler
“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

Hayek makes a case in his book “The Road to Serfdom” that liberalism eventually leads to Fascism. He wrote the book in response to government policies made by Franklin Roosevelt. So there is an arguement out there that if you are a liberal– you really support Fascism. Another interesting thing I have read is that Neo-Conservatism is more closely related to Trotskyism than to Fascism or classical liberalism. I thought I would through some ideas out there about Liberalism based not on emotion, but personal research. Great blog!!

Using Hitler (or Stalin) as a means of describing modern political attitudes is equally inane. It’s ludicrous to use works like like “socialist” or “leftist” (or “conservative”) to describe totalitarian dictators who murdered millions of people in their megalomanical attempts at world conquest. As you said, it requires no thought process. George Bush may be the worst President in this nation’s history, but as you said, it’s idiocy to compare him to Hitler.

The Nazis of the Third Reich rarely referred to themselves as “Nazis”, preferring instead the official term, “National Socialists”. Nazi was most commonly used as a pejorative term, but its use became so widespread that, currently, some Neo-Nazis also use it to describe themselves.

Another reason Hitler’s a leftist (in my estimation)-is because he favored muslims and despised Christians and jews (just like the leftists/liberals of today) and also because of some interesting similarities and intersecting histories between the Arab brownshirts like Saddam Hussein, and real nazis. Saddam, in fact, was raised by his Uncle who was in fact a nazi. You don’t know, then, apparently, that the Grand Mufti was convicted of war crimes at the Nuremburg war trials and was exiled to Cairo…and later formed the Odessa network

which facilitated the settlement of thousands of Nazi criminals in Egypt and elsewhere in the Arab world. In 1962, Saddam married Sajidah Tuffah, the daughter of his uncle and mentor.

Among other things.

The Nazis managed to recruit some Moslems directly. Several Moslem SS divisions were raised: the Skanderbeg Division from Albania, the Handschar Division from Bosnia, and smaller units from throughout the Moslem world from Chechnya to Uzbekistan were incorporated into the German armed forces in one capacity or another. This was only taking the first step in Heinrich Himmler’s planned grand alliance between Nazi Germany and the Islamic world. One of his closest aides, Obergruppenführer Gottlob Berger, boasted that

“a link is created between Islam and National-Socialism on an open, honest basis. It will be directed in terms of blood and race from the North, and in the ideological-spiritual sphere from the East.”

What an image: a Nazi-Moslem alliance to conquer the world!

Sorry, Gene, National Socialism is leftist, not ‘conservative’. There is absolutely no legitimate argument that says that Hitler’s nazi regime even remotely compares to our government in the past, or today other than the idiots who say ‘Bush=Hitler”, and that’s not a fact, it’s a stupid slogan born out of idiocy.

But it’s easy to SAY and involves no thought process, just like the rest of their stupid slogans.

Would I not be justified in describing Hitler as a Conservative because Hitler despised Communism? In fact, Hitler hated Communism so much he actually invaded the Soviet Union. Which is something that Ronald Reagan, that effete California “cowboy”, never had the cojones to try.

Your statement that the “Right” was consistent in its treatment of sexual harassment vis a vis the Thomas and Clinton scandals is so hysterically funny that I dare not try to improve upon it.